OK, something else that's broken in F8. At some point in the past when we'd plug in a Treo 700p USB cable to hotsync (which occasionally actually worked), devices /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 were created to access the phone. Now when I plug it in I only see lines like: Feb 23 15:35:26 prez kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 Feb 23 15:35:26 prez kernel: usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice When I plug in my Verizon broadband wireless USB modem I see ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 created, but no longer for the Treo. Any ideas/hints on why the tty devices are no longer created? -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 BusinessMsg -- the secure, managed, J2EE/AJAX Enterprise IM/IC solution