I must have wasted three or four hours reading various web pages about Fedora 8 sound problems and trying various fixes -- I keep finding "solutions" that work for some applications but not others, or work for a while and then stop working for no obvious reason. * I can't use totem or rhythmbox as they crash, killing firefox and starting gnome-screensaver (and eventually killing by X session) [I'm not using gnome or kde] * I've managed to get kaffeine to work, but it never keeps on working Things I've tried: * making sure avahi-daemon and ConsoleKit are running (this was my first "aha, that's solved it", but now restarting these does nothing) * running kaffeine as root (I eventually settled on that as a "good enough" solution, but now that doesn't work) * changing files like /etc/security/console.perms.d/60-sound.perms following various arcane instructions on web pages (this never seemed to do anything) * restarting pulseaudio by hand (again following instructions) /usr/bin/pulseaudio -k rm /tmp/pulse-$USER/pid /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D (this never seemed to do anything useful either) * removing and/or reinstalling packages such as alsa-plugins-pulseaudio (either no effect or toggles the YouTube versus CD functionality) * extensive Google searches and perusal of the suggestions they find Current situation: sound works in e.g. YouTube but I can't play audio CDs -- kaffeine crashes, and totem and rhythmbox crash even worse (taking firefox with them) If I actually used sound in any serious way I'd have gone back to Fedora 7 or switched to another distribution weeks ago. As it is it's annoying the hell out of me because I'm reading a book on psychoacoustics and I want to listen to the accompanying audio CD. Yes, I should file something in bugzilla, but I don't even know which package needs fixing. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog ---------------------------------------------------------