You know when yum works its great but every once in a while it just sets my teeth on edge by failing for no apparent reason and without any noticeable diagnostic. This happened recently. I tinkered with the HD and had to cycle power to do so. F7 came back up saying I have updates available. As usual I just entered the root password and hit enter. segfault. WTF? try again while crossing my fingers and wishing. segfault. Anyone else seeing this? two replies, no, must be you, works for me. grump. Dig into past fedora-list mail for ideas. What about yum clean all? Looks reasonable, ran it and it returned pretty quickly with no errors. Ok, will the update work? no. Now it hangs after downloading the packages and before installing. Reboot. no joy. well what else is in the archives. what about [root@localhost ~]# rpm --rebuilddb seems like a reasonable move but it has been running now for 90 minutes. Is that reasonable? anyone have ideas? diagnostics? or log files I can check? Dave -- There is no single government agency that views sustainability through a broad lens, taking into account the values of the people affected by government decisions. Any model of sustainability that is driven solely by an economic engine is deficient if it is incapable of taking into account social values. Mr. Justice David Vickers, BC Supreme Court in Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia,2007