On Wednesday 26 December 2007, Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: >On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:52:08 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> OK.... >>> >>> So, I gather from all of this that the existing documentation, links, >>> and whatever doesn't measure up to what you need or expect. Would that >>> be a fair summary? >>> >>> Is the question then, how can documentation be improved for the average >>> user? >> >> all i'm suggesting is that it took an inordinately long time to figure >> out what should have been a two-minute exercise. i'm guessing that, in >> most cases, readers aren't interested in a long-winded overview of >> things -- they just want to know what commands to run to get something >> done, which is all i wanted in the first place. > > I'll second that, with a small emendation : sooner or later, I >*will* want to know all the stuff on those sites, and more. Probably >later, or much later. At first, I just want the result; if/when I get >used to success, *then* I want to understand. > >> in short, what people might want is a fedora "cookbook" with tight, >> concise recipes that just plain work, out of the box. if they choose to >> read up later on the underlying operations, then that's their choice. > > Agreed again. And there isn't one, or it's well hidden. > > For the last two or three days, I've done little else but try to >get the re-spin of F8. Twice, now, I've gotten two downloads going in >parallel (on one instance of jigdo -- using the GUI interface that "yum >install jigdo" gave me. Beartooth: The gui is broken, as the docs we *do* have clearly say. Use the cli, jigdo-lite version. Its been broken since it release in 2004 or 2005, and no one to my knowledge has touched it with an eye toward fixing it. > Both times, I've let them run fourteen hours or more, and found >them next day still using 40% CPU *each* for a total of 80% -- and with >no hint of approaching success. > > I finally gave up, despite all those web sites *and* some >suggestions here. I did a clean install with my old original DVD; ran yum >update; I'm running pirut now, which will probably take me at least a >whole day just to get the machine customized much as it was before. > > And then I'll still have to copy all my user's files and tweaks >-- or as many of them as I know about -- back from another machine. And >try to finish before she comes back and needs to resume her own work on >her machine. > > And it will still be less trouble than I've already wasted trying >to get a DVD that would do an upgrade. In fact, it looks like I'll have >to go back to buying pre-burnt media for F9 and F10 ... > Sorry to hear that. If the bandwidth is available, I've found it easier and easier to pull the iso's as each new release sneaks out the door. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0.
