Hi; I apologize for starting a second thread on this issue, but I have done some exploring, and some fixing since the original post "Subject: End of F8 install -- frustration !" I have checked other seldom used 'users' that I have created for my system. They are not prompted with "Enter password for default keyring to unlock The application 'evolution' (/usr/bin/evolution) wants access to the default keyring, but it is locked" Somehow I have denied permission for Evolution to go directly to my ISP and fetch new mail at login to my main user without first giving a keyring password . I can't figure out what I did -- or how to undo it. I have spent more than 8 hours over the last two days learning more about PAM, key rings and Seahorse than I ever wanted. A quick prompt, or suggestion, or solution would be really appreciated. -- Regards Bill