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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Red Hat News (Gene Heskett)
2. Re: Red Hat News - it's probably Classmate (Gene Heskett)
3. Re: Upgrade from Fedora 7 to 8 and ppp trouble (Bill Meier)
4. Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows (Richard Shaw)
5. RE: [F8] setroubleshoot running at 85-95% of CPU
(Daniel B. Thurman)
6. Re: Cups problem (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
7. Re: Red Hat News (Arthur Pemberton)
8. Re: Red Hat News (Gene Heskett)
9. Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal? (Tim)
10. Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 122 (Tim)
11. Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and
Fedora 8 (Tim)
12. Re: Red Hat News (Craig White)
13. Re: Re: Re: F8 Network Woe (Tim)
14. Re: Cups problem (Craig White)
15. Re: Why cant I make my laptop ethernet cards recognise 10Mbs?
(Tim)
16. Re: Cups problem (david walcroft)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:22:14 -0500
From: Gene Heskett
Subject: Re: Red Hat News
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <200712122222.14751.gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On Wednesday 12 December 2007, John Wendel wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 17:12 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>>> On Dec 12, 2007 5:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting, I wonder which utilities they're talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again
>>>>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute
>>>>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> link?
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> http://redmondmag.com/reports/article.asp?EditorialsID=624
>>>>
>>>> Take note of the vagueness
>>>
>>> ----
>>> I guess I don't get it...
>>>
>>> Red Hat just released 5.1, 4.6 and obviously Fedora 8 was on track.
>>>
>>> Did I miss something?
>>>
>>> Craig
>>
>> I took note of the address, and figured, seeing as how I can be damned
>> paranoid about anything Redmond related, assumed it was an in-house
>> machine at M$, spewing its usual FUD & total missinfo. Possibly even
>> contaminated by satire.
>
>â??First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>then you win.â?? Gandhi
>
Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less followed
what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I don't recall
seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails got popular, 8 or
10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Don't suspect your friends -- turn them in!
-- "Brazil"

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:40 -0500
From: Gene Heskett
Subject: Re: Red Hat News - it's probably Classmate
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <200712122224.40280.gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:
>On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 18:35 -0500, jack wallen wrote:
>> Karl Larsen wrote:
>> > John Wendel wrote:
>> >> Craig White wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:
>> >>>> Interesting, I wonder which utilities they're talking about?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again
>> >>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute
>> >>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."
>> >>>
>> >>> ----
>> >>> link?
>> >>>
>> >>> Craig
>> >>
>> >> Sorry (lazy me)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1149866820071211?sp=tr
>> >>ue
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >
>> > What version were they to offer? It's not a Fedora issue is it? F9 I
>> > thought would be later.
>> >
>> > Karl
>>
>> i think they are talking about this:
>>
>> http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/red_hat_intel_classmate_
>>pc.html
>>
>> it's basically competition for OLPC.
>
>----
>cool...my boss ordered one of the OLPC (on the 2 for 1 deal) and I'm
>looking forward to playing with it. No wonder why redmondmag is
>gloating...Microsoft is pretty much just an interested party anyway.
>
>Craig

Be aware, very aware, when Redmond gets interested. They can teach the CIA
tricks. Humm, on second thought, with the CIA's track record recently, maybe
they should.

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Type cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio to hear the Voice of God.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:26:52 -0500
From: Bill Meier
Subject: Re: Upgrade from Fedora 7 to 8 and ppp trouble
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <4760A67C.1070004@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Bill LaGrue wrote:

<...>

Can't you still boot to F7 ? [It sounds like the answer is no: :) ].

If you can, what does the log show on F7 for the same ppp options ?

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:30:45 -0600
From: Richard Shaw
Subject: Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <4760A765.6020208@xxxxxxxxx>
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Dylan Semler wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2007 6:03 PM, Richard Shaw > > wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about using Xen. I wanted to go that route but my
> processor does not support VT-x. I use VirtualBox and it works
> quite well. In their tutorial they have instructions for building
> a VMDK file that points to the partition. It may be more automated
> now but it was pretty manual when I did it. A couple of notices:
>
>
> Interesting, I have never heard of VirtualBox. What made you chose
> that over vmware? How do you like the performance?
>
> Thanks for the tips.
> --
> Dylan
>
> Type faster. Use Dvorak:
> http://dvzine.org
A while ago there was a virtualization discussion going on here and
several products were listed, one of which was VirtualBox. I have both
VMWare and VirtualBox working, the former with a 6GB file and VirtualBox
pointing to my XP partition. VirtualBox is still very full featured but
not quite a tweakble as VMWare but seems to run a little faster. They're
both good products.

Even though they are both "free" I don't like having to mess with a
serial # for VMWare, also the setup for VirtualBox is simpler, although
both require you to compile a kernel module. (At least for Fedora, you
can probably get prebuilt modules for RHEL/CentOS).

Richard

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:02:55 -0800
From: "Daniel B. Thurman"
Subject: RE: [F8] setroubleshoot running at 85-95% of CPU
To: "For users of Fedora"
Message-ID: <021126B987E43D44A860139823C079110E2C11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Tony Nelson wrote:
>
>Reboot, or log out and back in, or restart what you stopped.
>

Yup. I did that. I even /.autorelabel just in case.
setroubleshoot went right back into CPU overload.

Why me!?!?!? ;)

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0600
From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson"
Subject: Re: Cups problem
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <4760B543.1000605@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Craig White wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 19:04 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> It looks like the OP is missing something. Even if cups is not
>> enabled with chkconfig, the service command should still work. It
>> looks like /etc/init.d/cups script is missing. (I have never checked
>> to see what happens if the script is there, but not
>> executable.)
>
> good point - but you are not helping OP with useful things to do
>
I know - I am at a loss. I saw where the OP re-installed the cups
rpm, so I don't know why the script is missing. I was hoping you
would have some ideas.

Mikkel
--

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:39:03 -0600
From: "Arthur Pemberton"
Subject: Re: Red Hat News
To: "For users of Fedora"
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On Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, John Wendel wrote:
> >Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 17:12 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> >>>> On Dec 12, 2007 5:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:
> >>>>>> Interesting, I wonder which utilities they're talking about?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again
> >>>>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute
> >>>>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----
> >>>>> link?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Craig
> >>>>
> >>>> http://redmondmag.com/reports/article.asp?EditorialsID=624
> >>>>
> >>>> Take note of the vagueness
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> I guess I don't get it...
> >>>
> >>> Red Hat just released 5.1, 4.6 and obviously Fedora 8 was on track.
> >>>
> >>> Did I miss something?
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>
> >> I took note of the address, and figured, seeing as how I can be damned
> >> paranoid about anything Redmond related, assumed it was an in-house
> >> machine at M$, spewing its usual FUD & total missinfo. Possibly even
> >> contaminated by satire.
> >
> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> >then you win." Gandhi
> >
> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less followed
> what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I don't recall
> seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails got popular, 8 or
> 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776

--
Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine
( www.pembo13.com )

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:48:31 -0500
From: Gene Heskett
Subject: Re: Red Hat News
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <200712122348.31490.gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Arthur Pemberton wrote:

>> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>> >then you win." Gandhi
>>
>> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less
>> followed what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I
>> don't recall seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails
>> got popular, 8 or 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?
>
>http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776
>
Thanks Arther, but that database doesn't seem to have any dates even when you
back up to the man himself. I was asking "when?". :)

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan.

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:32 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal?
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1197522572.2804.5.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Tim:
>> The local religious school were a bit embarrassed when some of their
>> cooking students went looking on the internet for cheesecake pictures.
>> It wasn't food that they saw. ;-)

Dotan Cohen:
> I search with SafeSearch off, and all I got back were cakes. Made me hungry.

Well, what they got was the traditional breast enhancing pose for a
photographer. Suggestive, but not salicious... Still, given the
viewing environment, it wasn't appropriate. Though they tend to be
pragmatic about such things.

>> I remember having a little chat with one of their students about
>> downloading MP3s. Seeing as it was a religious school, I pushed the
>> notion that it was wrong to steal a few times. He couldn't argue
>> against it. ;-)

> But he probably kept doing it anyway. There is a difference between
> being religious and being moral. The fact that the ten commandments
> tells us not to steal notwithstanding.

It's a fair bet that he would. But it did put him in a position where
he was unable to argue back. Yes, I can come up with various
justifications for pirating, and I've heard a plethora of them before.
But when your arguing with students, you need a position that they can't
negate. ;-)

I'm not a religious person, I can agree with a lot of the sentiment on
philosophical grounds, though. But not fundamentalism, and I include
computer fanaticsm in that, too. Nothing's just black and white.

--
[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:50:14 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 122
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1197523214.2804.12.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 10:25 -0500, Todd Denniston wrote:
> I wonder how many RFC's would be violated if list servers would have
> the ability (list configuration item) to look at the emails sent to
> it, and if an email had less than say a 1-5% (of a normalized form of
> the email) difference to one of the list's own Digests (from the last
> few weeks), either reject the email or only send the difference on to
> the list, especially if subject email had the subject "Re: thislist
> Digest, ThislistsVolIssuePolicy".

You can certainly reject certain messages as being unwanted.

I was thinking just the other day that I would have had replies to
digests outright banned if the subject line wasn't changed and the
message was a full quote reply. Bouncing it back with a rejection
notice saying what was required for a post to be accepted.

I'd be tempted to go further. Any "replies" lacking the in-reply-to and
references headers to be rejected, too, for stuffing up threading.

Tim... ex-BBS SysOp tyrant...

--
[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:55:27 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and
Fedora 8
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1197523528.2804.18.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Craig White:
>>> Thus the concept of 'users' and 'mapping', though intriguing, would be
>>> rather pointless for an NTFS filesystem mounted by ntfs-3g

Tim:
>> Nup, I'd say it's just as valid as the user ownership in my ext3 /home
>> partition.
>>
>> I could well have three people using a Linux box, and the same three
>> people using Windows, and wanting to each own their own files, all of
>> the time, no matter where stored.

John Summerfield:
> However much you wish it, I don't think it would even work for two
> Windows systems on the same computer.

That would be harder than Windows sharing with Linux, at least we can
make Linux do what we want it to. Windows philosophy is that it won't
let you customise things exactly how you want it, you have to fit in
with how it wants to do things.

> For starters, Windows expects to be installed to a primary partition.
> This protects one Windows system from another installed on the same drive.

I've broken that rule before, but I can't remember which version of
Windows.

>> Whether ntfs-3g can manage that is another matter, but there's
>> definitely good reasons to want seamless different user ownership across
>> different file systems.

> A problem is whether user "tim" in one context is the same as "tim" in
> another.

Of course. User mapping would have to be manual, or at least tweaked
after an automatic audit. As you say, you might have two different Tims
on a system, or differing usernames on the two OSs.

--
[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:26:42 -0700
From: Craig White
Subject: Re: Red Hat News
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1197523602.5903.22.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 23:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
> >> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> >> >then you win." Gandhi
> >>
> >> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less
> >> followed what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I
> >> don't recall seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails
> >> got popular, 8 or 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?
> >
> >http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776
> >
> Thanks Arther, but that database doesn't seem to have any dates even when you
> back up to the man himself. I was asking "when?". :)
----
perhaps it's just me but wouldn't it be more logical and efficient to
google these things for yourself?

Craig

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:58:08 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Re: Re: F8 Network Woe
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1197523688.2804.21.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Tim:
>> I can plug a box into my network, give it the IP 192.168.1.6, but not
>> bother to put any entries for it on the DNS server nor any hosts file.
>> It'll still be useable on the network, but no other machine will be able
>> to dig, host, or nslookup, it. And it won't be able to do some of those
>> checks on itself. Being able to ping it would depend on its
>> configuration.

Aaron Konstam:
> What you are saying is true except the machine should respond to its
> own ip address. It is certainly responding when he tries to set up the

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