On Monday 26 November 2007, fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: a paper I can't find... (Vivek J. Patankar) > 2. RE: Installing DVD iso (Duncan Berriman) > 3. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Mikkel L. Ellertson) > 4. Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media? > (Bill Davidsen) > 5. Re: Installing DVD iso (Mikkel L. Ellertson) > 6. Re: Installing DVD iso (Mikkel L. Ellertson) > 7. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Les Mikesell) > 8. Re: b43: Driver keeps upping CPU % until system freezes for a > few seconds? (Kelly Miller) > 9. Re: Excessive network traffic - (Les Mikesell) > 10. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Karl Larsen) > 11. Re: how to share internet connection in fedora (Karl Larsen) > 12. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Dave Ihnat) > 13. Re: Installing DVD iso (Todd Zullinger) > 14. Re: Wanna give me a hand debunking this? (Jeff Spaleta) > 15. Re: Fonts (Firefox/Windows & Firefox/Linux) (Todd Zullinger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:09:44 +0530 > From: "Vivek J. Patankar" <vivek.patankar@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: a paper I can't find... > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B12F0.3070701@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Mike Chalmers wrote: > > Years ago there was this paper written by a man who lost his job > > because he wrote the paper. The paper was an uproar in the Linux > > community. I cannot remember but I think that the paper was about why > > Microsoft is wrong, among other things concerning Microsoft. > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can find this paper please, it is pretty > > important that I find it? I know this is the Fedora list, but I don't > > know where else to post on it where I can get a good response. > > What you are referring to are probably the famous "Halloween Documents" > written by Vinod Valloppillil & Josh Cohen that were leaked from > Microsoft and ultimately wound up with Eric S Raymond who published > them. Link below > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween > > AFAIR, Vinod didn't lose his job because he wrote them. It was an > assignment of his. He quit MS sometime after they were leaked. > > -- > Regards, > विवà¥?à¤? à¤?. पाà¤?णà¤?र (Vivek J. Patankar) > > Registered Linux User #374218 > Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) > Linux 2.6.22.4-65.fc7 x86_64 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:43:14 -0000 > From: "Duncan Berriman" <duncan@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: Installing DVD iso > To: "'For users of Fedora'" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <048301c8305c$343433e0$0502a8c0@CPQEVO> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I installed FC8 using http as I did not have a dvd on the system. > > Here is how I did it (may be other ways as this was my first attempt). > > Download the full dvd iso. > > Then either burn it to a dvd and configure your web server/ftp server to > allow access to the dvd or copy the files off the dvd to your web > server/dvd server. Alternatively extract the files directly from the iso to > a directory on to your web server/ftp server. > > Download the Fedora Core 8 Rescue Disk iso image from > (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso) and burn this on to a CD. > > Boot and Install > > Boot the server where you want to install FC8 from the Rescue Disk. > > When it boots choose Install or upgrade an existing system from the menu. > > Select the language and keyboard type from the menu. > > You can then choose to install from Local CD/DVD, Hard drive, NFS > directory, FTP or HTTP > > Choose HTTP or FTP as appropriate and fill in the details. > > In my case I used Http so I then input just the ip address of my web server > and the directory containing the unpacked iso image. If you are using a > service over the internet then you need to target the 'os' directory > (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os for instance). I have not > tried this yet! > > You can also use boot.iso (minimal boot) or diskboot.img (usb stick) to > boot and start the install (These can be found in > fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os/images on any mirror.) > > Duncan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Davidsen > > Sent: 26 November 2007 18:51 > > To: For users of Fedora > > Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso > > > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a > > > > directory on > > > > > a different Linux machine, export that directory over NFS, > > > > and then use > > > > > the rescue CD to start the installation with. Specify "NFS > > > > image" as the > > > > > installation type when you come to that screen. > > > > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6? > > Because I > > posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had > > verified that > > both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people > > agreed that > > it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to find > > stuff on CD > > subdirectories of some such. > > > > I took the download URLs right from the http server log, ran them on > > another system, and verified that they worked and gave > > correct. I tried > > both the live CD install and the "boot.iso" versions to be sure I had > > valid boots. > > > > > You can do it over ftp too. I haven't done an ftp install > > > > in a while > > > > > though. > > > > > > You can also do it over VNC. I've only done that once and > > > > with an early > > > > > version of Fedora Core, probably 2 or 3. VNC-based installs seems > > > unnecssarily complicated to me. > > > > > > Why bother burning DVD media, if you can do it over the > > > > network or on a > > > > > hard drive they way Jeff suggests? > > > > Because recently the network install only seems to work if > > you rsync the > > whole tree and create a repository. > > > > -- > > Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > > "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent > > than from > > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:54:04 -0600 > From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B164C.2040809@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Craig White wrote: > > great > > > > we now have Gene, Frank and Dave as list moms. > > > > knock yourselves out guys, you will really be performing a valuable > > service to the fedora-list by making sure that those who misspell, > > grammatically fracture the language, etc. are summarily dismissed - even > > banished from the list if necessary. > > > > Craig > > Well, I guess you can add me to that list. You seem to be missing > the point - if you don't communicate clearly, then you are going to > have a problem getting help, or persuading people to support your > project. There are a lot of people on this list that will just > ignore your message if they have to struggle to understand it. By > this, I don't mean people struggling to write in English > when it is not their native language. > > But sense you feel that clear posting is not necessary, then you > handle these types of posts. After all, there is no reason they > should try to reach the largest possible audience, is there? > > Mikkel > -- > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, > for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20071126/1290e4ef/s >ignature.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:12:43 -0500 > From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media? > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1AAB.1010803@xxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dave Stevens wrote: > > your thought? tests? reviews? > > Since you ask, my current choice is DVD, using the dvdisaster system of > software assisted error recovery. Nothing is perfect, but a verified DVD > with software error recovery assist and good storage procedures is about > is cost effective as anything you would get on a flash drive, and a hell > of a lot less likely to be accidentally overwritten. > > *Note*: unless a copy is stored off-site, it's not a backup it's an > archive. Think fire, flood, theft, untrusted employee, idiot relative, etc. > > -- > Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> > "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:05:25 -0600 > From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B18F5.5030008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Duncan Berriman wrote: > > I installed FC8 using http as I did not have a dvd on the system. > > > > Here is how I did it (may be other ways as this was my first attempt). > > > > Download the full dvd iso. > > > > Then either burn it to a dvd and configure your web server/ftp server to > > allow access to the dvd or copy the files off the dvd to your web > > server/dvd server. Alternatively extract the files directly from the iso > > to a directory on to your web server/ftp server. > > There is not need to copy the files. You can loop mount the .iso > image. For example, I created a directory /var/www/html/Fedora and > used "mount -o loop Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso /var/www/html/Fedora" to > mount it. This gave access to the entire tree via html. > > > Download the Fedora Core 8 Rescue Disk iso image from > > (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso) and burn this on to a CD. > > After you loop mount the DVD .iso image, you can grab one of the > images in the images directory. There is a boot.iso and a > bootdisk.img. I like to use the bootdisk.img on a USB memory drive. > I have done a couple of installs this way. If you have a fast > network local, it is faster then a DVD install. Getting the > information from the hard drive of your server tends to be faster > then reading a DVD. This is probably not the case when reading a DVD > mounted on the server. > > Mikkel > -- > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, > for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20071126/7bac46fd/s >ignature.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:10:44 -0600 > From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1A34.5030507@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a directory > >> on a different Linux machine, export that directory over NFS, and then > >> use the rescue CD to start the installation with. Specify "NFS image" > >> as the installation type when you come to that screen. > > > > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6? Because I > > posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had verified that > > both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people agreed that > > it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to find stuff on CD > > subdirectories of some such. > > > > I took the download URLs right from the http server log, ran them on > > another system, and verified that they worked and gave correct. I tried > > both the live CD install and the "boot.iso" versions to be sure I had > > valid boots. > > > >> You can do it over ftp too. I haven't done an ftp install in a while > >> though. > >> > >> You can also do it over VNC. I've only done that once and with an > >> early version of Fedora Core, probably 2 or 3. VNC-based installs > >> seems unnecssarily complicated to me. > >> > >> Why bother burning DVD media, if you can do it over the network or on > >> a hard drive they way Jeff suggests? > > > > Because recently the network install only seems to work if you rsync the > > whole tree and create a repository. > > I can verify that loop mounting the DVD .iso so that it can be > served out by your web server, and booting from a memory stick > formatted with the bootdisk.img works fine. I have not tried the NFS > or FTP install, or using the .iso file instead of the loop mounted > tree, but I suspect the serving out the loop mounted .iso would work > with NFS and FTP just as well as HTML. (I didn't want the memory/CPU > usage of decoding the .iso image on the system I am installing on.) > > Mikkel > -- > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, > for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20071126/ef0d5a4e/s >ignature.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:15 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1B43.3020908@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dave Ihnat wrote: > > With over 30 years experience dealing with everything from volunteer > > communities, employers, consulting, USENET, early Unix development, etc., > > through today, I've seen this before and if someone wants to resurrect > > this tired cliche, it's their choice, but it's important to let people > > know that it's not universally accepted...the first, second, or Nth time > > it's espoused. > > Whatever happened to Peter Honeyman (of HDB uucp fame in the old > days...)? He was avoiding on-line capitalization at least 20 years ago > in case anyone thinks it's new and trendy. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:14:45 -0500 > From: Kelly Miller <lightsolphoenix@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: b43: Driver keeps upping CPU % until system freezes for a > few seconds? > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1B25.4050102@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John W. Linville wrote: > > Can you further characterize the exact circumstances to recreate > > this issue? Have you opened a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > Well, if I could put my finger on an exact cause, I'd be happier. > However, I can only observe the system crashing and the running > processes, and I have noticed that the sudden jump in the b43 CPU > processing percentage is the only really odd thing that happens around > the crash time (no other process has higher than 2%). However, the two > events are not consistent (when I wrote the email, I thought they were; > but more observation shows that the two may not be related). I'm still > searching for a potential cause of the freezing, because the system log > is empty... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:23:14 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Excessive network traffic - > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1D22.8060601@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Bob Goodwin wrote: > > Below is about thirty seconds of data recorded at the RJ45 connector on > > my Wildblue receiver/modem. The computer I'm using to test with is a > > new F8 installation [192.168.1.10] and I don't know that it does > > anything F7 didn't do but I see continuous activity, apparently the > > result of DNS activity, since it is to the Wildblue DNS server on port > > 53. Is that normal? 60 bytes doesn't amount to much of a days usage > > but still it is consuming bw. > > > > Bob Goodwin > > > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:19 2007; UDP; eth1; 63 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:24 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:29 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:34 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:39 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:44 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > Mon Nov 26 12:30:49 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771 > > to 12.189.32.61:53 > > It's normal if you have some reason to be looking up names. Try running > tcpdump or wireshark so you can see more about the request. It seems > odd that you don't see any responses coming back. Does the modem deal > with the private address/NAT for you? > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:29:08 -0700 > From: Karl Larsen <k5di@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B1E84.8060302@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Karl Larsen wrote: > >> Well my response is negative. I use Fedora systems because I am a > >> real booster of the Unix system. I think the many good heads at Bell > >> Labs that wrote the C compiler language so they could then write Unix > >> was the basis of a good computer operating system in the far future. > > > > The one thing it would have going for it is the native ability to use > > the ubiquitous vendor-written driver for every device known to man, > > something fedora goes to extremes to keep you from doing... > > > > But, I think at this point in time, emulating 32-bit windows is not > > worth the effort. By the time it is completed, it will be about as > > useful as DOS emulation is now as everything goes 64-bit. Something > > that might be nice would be a minimal OS that could use windows > > drivers and provided just enough services to run virtualbox or a > > similar virtualization layer. Then you could run your choice of OS(s) > > on that, more or less isolated from real hardware and you could either > > run real windows or wine on linux/*bsd if you wanted to run windows > > programs. Or just ignore windows except for being able to use those > > drivers that came with your hardware purchases. > > Yes a 64 bit free opensource Windows would be something Windows > people who think would crowd to get it. The Blackhat product they are > working on is not very interesting if all you get is a free copy of > Windows XP. There are those that $89.95 plus tax is a huge cost but to > me it is quite cheap. I just do not care for Windows or DOS. I have one > head and two arms and legs and turned 72 today :-) Got two books from my > wife. > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:38:01 -0700 > From: Karl Larsen <k5di@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: how to share internet connection in fedora > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474B2099.1070606@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > azeez khan wrote: > > hi > > can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os > > > > regards > > Rahim Khan > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > In ANY os a cheap user Rooter will do the trick. I have one from > Logitec that has 3 wired and one WiFi port and cost about $30.00 4 years > ago. I expect they are cheaper now. > > > > -- > > Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI > Linux User > #450462 http://counter.li.org. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:46:42 -0600 > From: Dave Ihnat <dihnat@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20071126194642.GA18109@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:15:15PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Whatever happened to Peter Honeyman (of HDB uucp fame in the old > > days...)? He was avoiding on-line capitalization at least 20 years ago > > in case anyone thinks it's new and trendy. > > http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/honey/ > > And yes, he appears to still be doing the e.e.cummings thing, although not > everywhere. But note the English he uses is more than acceptable. > (smileyifIdidsmileyswhichIdon't). > > Cheers, > -- > Dave Ihnat > President, DMINET Consulting, Inc. > dihnat@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:09 -0500 > From: Todd Zullinger <tmz@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <20071126193309.GK8224@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a > >> directory on a different Linux machine, export that directory over > >> NFS, and then use the rescue CD to start the installation with. > >> Specify "NFS image" as the installation type when you come to that > >> screen. > > > > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6? Because > > I posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had verified > > that both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people > > agreed that it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to > > find stuff on CD subdirectories of some such. > > I installed F8 using this method just a week or so ago. I am pretty > sure I did the same thing with F7 too. I can't recall the last time I > actually burned media to do an install for myself. > > If you have specific errors from attempting this, post them. Perhaps > there's a bug others haven't run across or there could be something > you're getting wrong. > > I do notice one difference in how I've done this that may be > important. I don't use the rescue cd to boot the install. Instead, I > copy the initrd.img and vmlinux files from images/pxeboot in the DVD > iso (or from the web, whichever you prefer) to /boot and make an entry > in the grub config for "Fedora $Version Installer." > > I did this for F8 and likely F7. It's been a while since I bothered > burning even the boot.iso to kick off an install. > > > Because recently the network install only seems to work if you rsync > > the whole tree and create a repository. > > Definitely not so. Hopefully the problems you've run into can be > looked at and solved, so you don't have to resort to actually burning > discs. :) > > -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Politics is the business of tinkering with other people's lives. > -- Nolan Neathercutt > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 542 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20071126/74b46e2c/a >ttachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:25 -0900 > From: "Jeff Spaleta" <jspaleta@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Wanna give me a hand debunking this? > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <604aa7910711261210q6d32e218o733fa112f619e8e3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Nov 24, 2007 8:07 AM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > A better way to find what Red Hat considers fedora to be suitable for > > might be to ask where they use it themselves. Is there a single public > > facing server managed by Red Hat that runs fedora? > > There is more than code quality that goes into determining the > operating system to use in a production environment. Fedora's stated > lifetime policy and rate of technical advancement has to be weighted > against other distribution choices in the Fedora derived ecosystem > which move more slowly. The release cycle and updating policy of the > Fedora distribution are not necessarily the most attractive elements > for use in production systems. No one denies this. > > For production systems, for which Fedora distribution's lifetime > policy is ill-fitted, the Fedora Project does sponsor the EPEL project > for contributors who want to target extending the enterprise systems > in the Fedora ecosystem. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL > > I personally would consider systems making use of EPEL as systems > which make use of Fedora directly. If you are not familiar with how > EPEL works, please read over the links at the EPEL wikipage at the > Fedora Project wiki. It's perfectly acceptable to contribute to the > Fedora project by contributing to EPEL without having to run the > Fedora distribution. > > -jef > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:13:47 -0500 > From: Todd Zullinger <tmz@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Fonts (Firefox/Windows & Firefox/Linux) > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <20071126201347.GL8224@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jorge Fábregas wrote: > > The look nice (better than mine) but the fonts on your previous > > screenshot look better! Please send me a screenshot of your firefox > > font settings. I will really appreciate it! > > Sorry for the delay Jorge. Screenshots of the firefox settings I used > in the screenshots you liked are here: > > http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/firefox-font-prefs.png > http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/firefox-font-prefs-advanced.png > > The gnome font settings I've got are: > > http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/gnome-font-prefs.png > http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/gnome-font-prefs-details.png > > > I've been dealing with these font issues for days now :( and I > > thought the freetype-freeworld package was the panacea (having the > > bytecode interpreter enabled) but I see there are more things to > > consider... > > I don't have that installed at all, so I'm not sure how much you gain > by having the bytecode interpreter and subpixel rendering options > enabled in freetype.
