On Monday 26 November 2007, fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Frank Cox) > 2. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Robert P. J. Day) > 3. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT ( Fernando Apestegu?a ) > 4. Re: (fedora) Re: ntfs & nfs on F8 (Jacob (=Jouk) Jansen) > 5. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Ed Greshko) > 6. RE: DVD metadata (Roberto Malinverni) > 7. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Tim) > 8. Re: home network planning question FC6 (Tim) > 9. sweep keeps crashing (Tim) > 10. Re: is your f-spot working in Fedora 8 (Valent Turkovic) > 11. Re: fc8 no sound (Paulo Cavalcanti) > 12. Re: Yet more yum help, please (Michael Schwendt) > 13. Re: wireless- networkmanager (Mike C) > 14. discrepancy between qtparted/gparted and partition state in > F8 (Joachim Backes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:29:54 -0600 > From: Frank Cox <theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20071126012954.98b4115f.theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:01:09 -0700 > > Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > English is not the primary language for many of the list users and the > > point is communication. > > Patrick Quinn's primary language, on a balance of probabilities, is most > likely English. > > Point the first: Both his first and last name is of Irish origin. It is > extremely unlikely, though not completely impossible, that his first > language spoken is Gaelic. Ireland has two official languages, though, > English and Gaelic. However, Gaelic is a minority language even in Ireland > and most references state that the official languages are "English and > Gaelic" rather than "Gaelic and English". > > Point the second: Mr. Quinn's message showed a greater-than-minimal grasp > of the English language; the phrasing and format demonstrated carelessness > rather than a lack of knowledge, and the signs of great effort normally > seen in a post by a non- or minimal-English speaker were not present in his > message. > > Point the third: No capitalization and minimal punctuation were present in > Mr. Quinn's message. This is a further indication of carelessness rather > than a lack of knowledge, and betrays a lack of any serious attempt to make > his message correct in any way. Speed over accuracy, as the old saying > goes. > > Accordingly, Gene Heskett's response was completely appropriate in this > particular instance. > > In my humble opinion, of course. > > -- > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:33:11 -0500 (EST) > From: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0711260231220.18163@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Craig White wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 21:08 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 25 November 2007, patrick quinn wrote: > > > >hello team fedora > > > > > > First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation, > > > making proper use of punctuation and grammar. > > > > ---- > > Let's not have grammarians on the list please. > > normally, i'd be the last to whinge on about taking liberties with > aesthetics as well :-), but if someone is not just submitting a > regular post but announcing a new project and inviting collaboration > at a high level, well, that calls for a little extra effort if you > want to be taken sufficiently seriously. > > rday > > ======================================================================== > Robert P. J. Day > Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry > Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA > > http://crashcourse.ca > ======================================================================== > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:00:24 +0100 > From: " Fernando Apestegu?a " <fernando.apesteguia@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <1bd550a00711260000h484b4097vf92f4d54cdce97ff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 11/26/07, patrick quinn <pferpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > hello team fedora > > me and my team are curentuly working on a reactos > > (http://www.reactos.org) based os called blackhat which is open source > > and 100% free.blackhats party piece is its ability to run not only win32 > > but linux applications nativily.blackhat plays host to the latest open > > source and gnu software and environments .it will ultimately use the > > gnome interface as the default gui and have xgl alike abilites.i was > > wondering if you would be willing to put your name to this project amd > > give you very minor help and in exchange you will have permenant ad space > > at the top of are webpage and other fedora promotions troughout the os > > (eg in the welcome center).we will not ask anything of significance from > > you just giving blackhat some of that unmistakeable fedora charm.i > > personally am a huge fan of your os and hence the reason we have come to > > you.we would really aprecieate a reply be it negitive or positive seasons > > greetings > > team blackhat > > What's the project's site? I couldn't find it. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get the next generation of Windows Live services now! > > http://get.live.com > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:02:31 +0100 (MET) > From: "Jacob (=Jouk) Jansen" <joukj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: (fedora) Re: ntfs & nfs on F8 > To: Darkenergy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, FEDORA-LIST@xxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <07112609023159_22C03EF8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Darkenergy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 23-NOV-2007 10:56:56.40 > > >yum install fuse fuse-libs > > Both pacakages were already installed. The fuse kernel module in these > pacakages seems not to support nfs-exports of ntfs shares. I had to install > a package called fuse-kmdl (I got it from atrpms) to add this > functionality. > > Jouk > > > > Bush : All votes are equal but some votes are more equal than others. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----< > > Jouk Jansen > > joukj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Technische Universiteit Delft tttttttttt uu uu ddddddd > Kavli Institute of Nanoscience tttttttttt uu uu dd dd > Nationaal centrum voor HREM tt uu uu dd dd > Lorentzweg 1 tt uu uu dd dd > 2628 CJ Delft tt uu uu dd dd > Nederland tt uu uu dd dd > tel. 31-15-2782272 tt uuuuuuu ddddddd > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----< > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:13:22 +0800 > From: Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <474A8022.6000102@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Craig White wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 21:08 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Sunday 25 November 2007, patrick quinn wrote: > >>> hello team fedora > >> > >> First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation, making > >> proper use of punctuation and grammar. > > > > ---- > > Let's not have grammarians on the list please. If this list is going to > > denigrate to the point where misspellings and grammatical transgressions > > are to be called out and chastised, I wouldn't want to stay around. > > While the grammar was poor in the original message, it doesn't hurt that > Gene pointed it out. However, that would be the least of my "worries". > > I would think about the following.... > > 1. The "blackhat" project is based on "reactos" which is itself in alpha > release. Not sure why anyone would start a project based on alpha > software. > > 2. The OP asks "i was wondering if you would be willing to put your > name...". Now is he asking for the "Fedora Project" to put its name on it > or every individual on the mailing list. I get the feeling he really means > the "Fedora Project" since he is trying to entice with "permenant ad space" > and other gifts for minor help. (I copied and pasted...so spelling and > grammatical errors remain.) If he is asking for endorsement from the > Fedora Project then I wonder why he posted to this public list. > > 3. "unmistakeable fedora charm"? Trying to flatter us? > > For Frank Cox....the originating IP for the OP is 86.42.209.231 and indeed > it is located in Ireland. The message was sent at 2AM GMT. One could > suggest the grammar was impaired by Guinness? :-) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:25:14 +0100 > From: "Roberto Malinverni" <roberto.malinverni@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: DVD metadata > To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <002501c83005$debda780$ef07320a@MALINVERNI> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:24 +0000 > > From: Timothy Murphy <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: DVD metadata > > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > Message-ID: <ficdu9$1pf$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Is there a Fedora program which will record DVD metadata > > (preferably in XML format) > > when one inserts a DVD in a DVD reader? > > IIRC, ifoinfo can output to XML - otherwise you can try lsdvd (not sure > about this latter). > > > -- > Il messaggio e' stato analizzato alla ricerca di virus o > contenuti pericolosi da MailScanner, ed e' > risultato non infetto. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:41:51 +1030 > From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1196068311.2759.5.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Gene Heskett, > > >> First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation, making > >> proper use of punctuation and grammar. > > Craig White: > > Let's not have grammarians on the list please. If this list is going to > > denigrate to the point where misspellings and grammatical transgressions > > are to be called out and chastised, I wouldn't want to stay around. > > To some point I agree, however that letter - like one or two others we > see from time to time on this list - is awfully confusing as to what it > really means. E-mails for help do need to be clearly understandable, at > least, even if not brilliantly typed. > > That one reminded me of the software brags we'd see for the old Amiga > software in the 1980s. Either written by some German who hadn't > succeeded in translating to English, or some young teenager who'd never > have made it through school. Some of it was just plain bizarre. > > -- > [tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr > 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386 > > Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7. > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. > I read messages from the public lists. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:55:45 +1030 > From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: home network planning question FC6 > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1196069145.2759.15.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 22:12 -0600, Tom Poe wrote: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/media/network.png > > > > Here's the narrative: > > 1] this is the DHCP/DSL box from Qwest. > > 2] this is a Linksys WRT54G wireless broadband router > > 3] this is a Meraki wireless access point/router > > 4] this is a desktop workstation > > 5] this is an asterisk-dedicated desktop for calling/receiving calls > > with softphone > > > > The DHCP/DSL device is already configured and working. I'm thinking I > > have to configure the two desktops before I plug them into the router. > > Can anyone list the info and where I enter it in FC6 to be permanent > > changes? > > I agree with Frank that the extra wireless gadget seems strangely > redundant. Though, if you were planning to share the network, it could > well be best if that second wireless gateway had a separate IP so that > you can filter things off. You don't want to share all your private > stuff publically. > > If your DHCP/DSL box has its own IP, you'd use that IP as the default > gateway address to be configured into the router. And you'd use the > router's IP as the default gateway address to be configured into the > other gear. Likewise, the router is probably going to act as the DNS > server for the rest of your network. Does your router not come with a > configuration manual? > > Chances are that your router can configure all that automatically over > DHCP, and you only need to set all your clients to use DHCP to set up > their networking (e.g. use one of the network configuration GUIs on each > client). If so, you can probably configure client addresses in your > router's DHCP server, so that it doles out the same addresses to the > same equipment each time. > > I think it's important that you understand those sorts of concepts > (whether using automatic or static configuration, where you're doing the > configuration - centrally or one each device, etc., the relationship of > how the traffic flows through where) before you work out the specifics. > > -- > [tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr > 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386 > > Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7. > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. > I read messages from the public lists. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:15:02 +1030 > From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: sweep keeps crashing > To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1196070302.3336.3.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Has anybody tried using sweep lately on FC7? It crashes as soon as you > try to play a file. If I run it from the command line, no matter what > audio file I try, this is the result: > > [tim@bigblack ~]$ sweep-audio-editor > sweep: alsa_setup: audio interface does not support host endian 32 bit > float samples (Invalid argument) > Floating point exception > > It used to work, but I can't remember how long ago that was. I have the > same situation on two different computers, so I think it's probably not > just my hardware. Though I would like to try and confirm that before I > go bugzilla-ing. > > -- > [tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr > 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386 > > Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7. > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. > I read messages from the public lists. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:49:45 +0100 > From: "Valent Turkovic" <valent.turkovic@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: is your f-spot working in Fedora 8 > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <64b14b300711260149y18da1015kba939d336384d9db@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Nov 25, 2007 7:08 AM, John Summerfield <debian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > It looks like it is an issue because on the bug report I send other > > > people have answeret that they see the same issue... > > > > Nobody's saying it's not a problem. If everyone had the problem, it > > probably would have been fixed before release. Therefore, it probably > > works for most people. > > > > If you gave out a but more information, it might help. > > > > What CPU? > > Intel Core Duo T2450 @ 2 Ghz > > > 32-bit or 64-bit? > > 32bit > > > If 64-bit, do you have 32-bit installed too? > > > > Are you fully up2date? The question's irrelevant if not. > > I check for updates every day. > > Hope this helps. > > Valent. > > > -- > > > > Cheers > > John > > > > -- spambait > > 1aaaaaaa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Z1aaaaaaa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -- Advice > > http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > > > > You cannot reply off-list:-) > > > > -- > > > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:44 -0200 > From: "Paulo Cavalcanti" <promac@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: fc8 no sound > To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <68720af30711260233n4d7ff478se887210c37cb25d4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I could not agree with you more Karl. Over the years on different > > distro's I've got the sound sorted, and now pulse audio is brought into > > the equation, > > and wants to screw the sound up again. I'm sure there are probably some > > benefits to using pulseaudio, but at the moment all I want is my sound to > > work, and pulseaudio on F8 is messing with it. > > The only thing you accomplish removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > is the suppression of this file: > > [cascavel:/etc/alsa] more pulse-default.conf > # pulseaudio plugin configuration > > pcm.!default { > type pulse > } > > ctl.!default { > type pulse > } > > It gives you the default for alsa. If you create a ~/.asoundrc > > for your needs it will produce the same result. > > > I won't go into the problems I'm having with udev in the ordering of > > video devices for my webcam, and tvcard. that's for another day. All I > > can say is > > that pre udev kernels always order the tvcard as /dev/video0, and the > > webcam > > as /dev/video1, but it's really hit and miss with kernels that use udev. > > I've > > reached the stage where I have 2 desktop icons for Xawtv. 1 pointing > > to /dev/video0, and the other to /dev/video1. I'm watching the Marx > > brothers > > on the TV at the mo, and this sounds like a Marx Bros situation. If one > > don't > > work try the other. > > You need to create some udev rules: > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter07/symlinks.html unsubscribe
