On Nov 26, 2007 12:19 PM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Then it still misses the need for a way to get current desktop programs > without wild and crazy changes in the kernel and device drivers. Make up your mind. Do you care about uptime reliability for critical services or do you care about desktop applications? Are you seriously attempting to suggest that new versions of thunderbird or openoffice are critical in any sense of the word? Personally i think you are just arguing to argue and are not actually attempting to have reasonable discourse. I'll let others make their own judgements concerning motivations based on your inability to stick to a line of reasoning. You can not have your cake and eat it too. Upstream development in the open source world is really fast right now...for the 'popular' stuff that end-user see. There are not the resources to satisfy the people who need long term operation for critical things with people who desire to track closely with upstream in the application space in the same installable 'distribution'. You have a choice to make. -jef