Re: Can Java just shoot me?

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On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:08:59AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2007, Chris G wrote:
> > Then you should complain to the people who wrote the web page, not the
> > implementors of Java.
> So he's going to complain to his IT organization... this is the right way to 
> get Linux in the enterprise, yes?!  (no.)

Maybe 'complain' was the wrong word, maybe 'ask for help'.  :-)  But
whatever it's as likely that the web page implementors are going to be
able to help as anyone else.

>                                            Chris, many users of Fedora are 
> doing so in organizations where they have zero control of the infrastructure; 
> Fedora needs to adapt to the infrastructure that is present, because the 
> infrastructure that is present is not going to be changed just for little old 
> Fedora's sake.  If you think the infrastructure needs to be changed just to 
> accommodate an unsupported OS, well, you don't know what you're talking 
> about.  Some IT organizations will work with you, unless you make yourself a 
> pest: do that, and they may decide to intentionally make it difficult for 
> you.
I do actually do *exactly* this.  I have one of the two (there may be
three, not quite sure) Fedora Linux desktop machines at work among
probably 50 or more Windows XP machines.  Our parent (US) company is
100% MS as far as I know.  I'm thus fairly well aware of some of the
issues at least.

[snip me not liking Java and you saying it's the way to do something]

OK, you have a case where Java is useful/necessary, that doesn't mean
that *many* (or even most) uses of Java in web applications are good
and necessary.

Fundamentally I don't think we disagree!  :-)

Chris Green

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