So, I have to access a web page that only works if I have Sun's java plugin (yes, I've tried icedtea). I've looked at all the instructions I could find for getting java on Fedora, and they all start with some simple little tossed off phrase like "Get the rpm from java.sun.com". Has anyone ever visited java.sun.com? Its a freaking nightmare! I thought Microsoft's jargon was dense, but Sun seems to be suffering from jargon envy and trying as best they can to catch up. The only two acronyms I've heard that maybe I need are either JRE or JDK. But on Sun's download site, I'm offered a maze of Java EE, Java ME, Java SE, with a equally uninformative gibberish under each of those categories. No jre or jdk to be found anywhere in the top couple of layers of the web site. Are there any Java instructions out there which actually provide a map for navigating Sun's web site to find "the" rpm to download? (A walk-through for the install Java game :-).