i'm sure others have already noticed this but, even when there is clearly something in your Trash folder, letting your cursor hover over the Trash icon produces "No items in Trash". or is that just me? rday p.s. and, yes, if i open that folder, there is contents. ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ========================================================================