Fedora Users — Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 194

i need to config file for moxa multiport.

Rambod Kamaei

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Today's Topics:

1. Fedora 9 Bug Day-v0.1 :: Monday, November 19, 2007 (John Poelstra)
2. Re: F8 install hangs (BB Cao)
3. Re: Thunderbird (Richard England)
4. Re: F8 install hangs (Knute Johnson)
5. Re: irqbalance f8 (Tim)
6. Re: Hard Disk Backup Question (John Summerfield)
7. home network planning with all-linux questions (Tom Poe)
8. Re: home network planning with all-linux questions (Frank Cox)
9. Re: arabic language on FC7 (ismail bushra)
10. Re: F8 Desktop Effects, nVidia, and Virtual Terminals
(Gilboa Davara)
11. Re: home network planning with all-linux questions (Tom Poe)
12. Re: home network planning with all-linux questions (Frank Cox)
13. Re: home network planning with all-linux questions (Tim)
14. grub, kernel and mount woes (Thufir)
15. Re: grub, kernel and mount woes (Thufir)
16. Re: grub, kernel and mount woes (Thufir)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:02:42 -0800
From: John Poelstra
Subject: Fedora 9 Bug Day-v0.1 :: Monday, November 19, 2007
To: For users of Fedora Core releases
Message-ID: <473E67E2.3010402@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Greetings,

This is an invitation to all community members to join us for our first
"Bug Day" of the Fedora 9 release cycle! Fedora 8 is hardly a week old
and as is always the case--people around the world are reporting
problems they encounter to make Fedora better. Help make Fedora 9 a
great release by joining us to review the outstanding bugs against Fedora.

We will meet on freenode in the #fedora-qa channel from 0:00 UTC to
23:59 UTC, on Monday, November 19, 2007. Join as for as little or as
much as you can in your local timezone. Lurkers are always welcome too.

What happens at a "Bug Day" you ask? We review and triage as many open
bugs as we can by helping them along to their next state--ideally fixed
or closed :-)

You don't have to be a Fedora guru or hold a PhD in reading stack
traces--in most cases you do not even have to run a program or attempt
to reproduce the reported issue. It is nice if you can, however often
the most value able service you can provide is your eyes--reading the
contents of a bug to see if enough information is present for the
package owner (developer) to take the next step. Sometimes that means
requesting that the reporter attempt to reproduce the bug against the
latest version or provide more information. By doing this you can help
package owners focus their time on the bugs that matter.

And if you are not sure what to do we can help you on IRC.

Some helpful links from the wiki for getting started are:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TriagingGuidelines
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelBugTriage

This is the first time I've organized a bug day (proposed two days ago
at Wednesday's QA meeting) and I don't believe we have had one in a
while. It is possible some of the wiki pages about triaging bugs need
updating or clarifying so if we use part of Monday to work on that it
will be time well spent as it better prepares us for future bug days.

And don't forget you don't have to wait for an official Bug Day to
triage bugs--they don't mind being triaged by anyone at any time :)

Look forward to meeting you.

John
aka "poelcat"

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:37:55 -0800 (PST)
From: BB Cao
Subject: Re: F8 install hangs
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <117866.15201.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

"nohz=off nolapic" worked for me.
Best,
BC

zephod@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: I'm trying to install F8 on my computer but it hangs after loading initrd.img. I get a "Ready" message and nothing more.

I have veryified the sha1sum
I have tried adding the following to the boot line:
acpi=off
acpi=off apm=off
ide=nodma
i8042.nomux
nofb
I have tried the text mode installation option
I have run the memory test sucessfully.

I took the DVD to a different machine and it did not hang. I was able to run the media check which was OK. This would appear to indicate that the DVD, which was made on my computer, is OK and the problem is something to do with this particular computer.

It is a 3.4GHz Pentium 4 with an Intel i915P/G chipset and 1G RAM. It has one 120G SATA drive which has Windows XP installed and one 160G IDE drive which currently runs FC6. The DVD has the i386 version of F8 on it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Steve

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:57:16 -0800
From: Richard England
Subject: Re: Thunderbird
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <473E74AC.6070006@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mike A. Harris wrote:
> Albert Graham wrote:
>>
>> It seems you are correct, this future (menu option called "messages")
>> has been removed in Thunderbird 2.x - what a shame :(
>
> Sounds like someone is jumping to conclusions. I'm using the current
> official Fedora 8 thunderbird 2.0.0.9 update, and was previously using
> the stock Fedora 8 thunderbird. Prior to that I used thunderbird 2.x
> on Fedora 7.
>
> The "View->Messages" submenu on the main window's pulldown menus has
> been there in every single release as I use it all the time. As
> mentioned in a previous mail in this thread, it is the main
> thunderbird screen that must be used, not the message composition window.
>
>
>

I'm looking at the pull downs in the top bar where I see ...Edit
View Insert.... in the main or home Thunderbird window
and under View I see only the following items with "Message" in their
titles:
Message Body as
Message Source
Message Security Info

This is the same using Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (20070727) on F7 Moonshine
and Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (20071115) on F8 Werewolf

I do not see a "Messages" menu item.

Is it possible that there is a customization that is making this visible
or invisible?

~~R

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:45:57 -0800
From: "Knute Johnson"
Subject: Re: F8 install hangs
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <473E0F95.11950.1CD3621@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

>I'm trying to install F8 on my computer but it hangs after loading
>initrd.img. I get a "Ready" message and nothing more.

Unfortunately this is still a bug in F8.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239585

Hold down the SHIFT key when starting Fedora and you can get to the
prompt.

--
Knute Johnson
Molon Labe...

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:37:44 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: irqbalance f8
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195279664.2790.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Ulrich Drepper:
>> "Core Duo" doesn't mean dual processor and if it is a single processor,
>> dual core machine the result is as expected: the two cores share the
>> same highest-level cache (level 2 in this case).

Mike C:
> Now I am really confused - I have gkrellm running and it shows two cpus.
>
> You mean I have only a single processor and two cpus on the same chip - but
> irqbalance only applies if there are two separate cpu chips? Is there a web
> reference that I could refer to in order to understand this properly?

Have you said what your processor is?

e.g. Something like an "Intel Core 2 Duo T5200 CPU" is a two-core (dual)
processor on the same chip. Be aware that there are permutations, and
mis-writes of the processor names on some websites. In this case, the
"Intel Core 2" is like a version number (a new generation of processors,
like we've had PII, PIII, P4, etc), "Duo" is a range of Intel dual-core
processors (two processors on the same die), and the "T5200" model code
lets us find out exactly which CPU it is.

NB: I haven't looked into whether the Duo range was only dual-core, or
had other numbers, as well (i.e. more or less), but it seems that way.
There's just too many different things to keep track of. But if you
look up your exact CPU model, you can work out what you have.

--
[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

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I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:20:59 +0900
From: John Summerfield
Subject: Re: Hard Disk Backup Question
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <473E884B.6050403@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Ralph De Witt wrote:
>> Hi All:
>> I have a Dell Inspiron E1705 Computer with a 80 gig hard drive. I also
>> have a Western Digital 500 gig My Book External USB Hard Drive
>> attached. I would like to Back up the entire hard drive to a partition
>> on the external drive. I have very little knowledge of how to do this.
>> I have always backed up to a CD individual files after a data loss. I
>> thought a auto backup routine would work, but the computer may not be
>> on when the backup would be scheduled, and the external hard drive
>> partition do not seem to want to auto mount so that would not work. I
>> am using the kde desk top. Could some one add to my knowledge and help
>> me out? TIA
>
> If you want to make a backup of the physical hard drive, such that you
> could just replace the drive with an identical drive and recreate it,
> you need to boot from a CD, such as the Fedora rescue CD, and just copy
> the contents. Assuming that the external drive is sdb, mounted on
> /mnt/external (for example):
> dd if=/dev/sda bs-1M | gzip -3 >/mnt/external/2007-10-04-1410-image.gz

Actually, you _can_ do that from the live system. The consequences are
about the same has having a power failure.

I've done it a couple of times, it worked okay.

Safer, is doing something like this to the backup drive. Read the
documentation for each command. The whole procedure needs to be done as
root. Take care that you partition the right disk, and create
filesystems (and swap) on the correct partitions.

If you use LVM, there will be additional steps.

# Partition the disk
fdisk ...
# Create a filesystem for on each backup parrition
mke2fs -j ...
# If your backup disk has a swap partition, you should
mkswap ...
# Mount the backup system, maybe like this:
mount ... /mnt/backup
mkdir /mnt/backup
mount .... /mnt/backup
# Copy the files. Tar is one way, it's good. After the /, you need to
name each partition
tar clC / boot . | tar xpC ...
# Check plausibility:
df -h -t ext3

The result is a clone of the running system. Files that are open for
writing/updating at the time you copy them may be damaged.

I do this regularly, but I do make sure that nothing is creating or
writing to important files (syslog excepted) at the time.

Database software (eg postgresql) has its own backup procedures, you
should use them.

I've not described how to install grub, I'm sure it's possible, I just
haven't done it.

>
> Note that the image must be restored to an identical hard drive, since
> it's an image of the whole disk. It might work on a larger drive, but
> you might not use, or even have access to, the whole drive.

It does work to a bigger disk, and the extra space if free space at the
end of the disk. Read up on resize2fs for hints on expanding an ext{2,3}
partition into it.

>
> There are various utilities to do this, g4u being popular. This has some
> of the same limitations, but is easy to use. Because it's based on
> netBSD (AFAIK) the drivers are not identical, but it can backup over a
> network using ftp.

There's dar at sf.net; it doesn't do exactly this.
>
> There are commercial products which do this, use Google, I haven't used
> any in several years and can't suggest.
>
> Finally, you can backup the contents of the critical data (or all files)
> using programs like rsync, or using tar, cpio, or star. These require
> manual partitioning of a replacement drive, restore, and rerunning grub
> by hand, but offer more flexibility.

The backup created using the steps I outlined can be kept in sync using
rsync.

>
> You can also put an incremental backup program call in your shutdown
> sequence, to be sure you back up anything you have done in a current
> session.
>
> Hope that's a useful overview of the possibilities, I'm not sure just
> what features you need, and there's always a tradeoff between
> convenience of restoring a single lost file and that of restoring
> everything.
>
There is also the dump/restore package. My reading says dump should not
be run from the any live filesystems.

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:37:39 -0600
From: Tom Poe
Subject: home network planning with all-linux questions
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <473E8C33.9010801@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have multiple boxes to connect. I want one to use for VoIP/PBX, one
for workstation, and one for router/gateway between LAN and DSL modem.
The router/gateway has two NIC cards?, or can I use just one card with a
virtual configuration? I'm also looking for a beginner's article that
walks me through steps to set up network to have both VoIP/PBX and
workstation have access to Internet through the router/gateway. I can
find pieces, but nothing that makes it come together for me, yet. Any
help appreciated.
Tom

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:49:46 -0600
From: Frank Cox
Subject: Re: home network planning with all-linux questions
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <20071117004946.53045be8.theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:37:39 -0600
Tom Poe wrote:

> one for router/gateway between LAN and DSL modem.

Unless you have special requirements, it's my opinion that for most home and
small office networks the best thing to use for a router is a router. Dlink
routers and the like are quite cheap, very easy to configure and they use less
power and generate less heat than any general purpose computer. They also come
with a fairly decent built-in firewall, not to mention that the mere fact that
you're NAT-ing tends to add a layer of protection as well.

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:52:04 +0300
From: "ismail bushra"
Subject: Re: arabic language on FC7
To: "For users of Fedora"
Message-ID:
<196f1d5e0711162252k189f5289tea3375c5e40d8326@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

salam,
Are u sure u add already arabic language to ur FC7, if yes it should
work ok, if no then this is the step
go to system ---- Perferences ---- Keyboard ----- layouts --- add ----
choose Arabic azerty . that all and u can switch between languages by
pressing both alt
On Nov 16, 2007 7:59 PM, waleed zedan wrote:
>
> hi
> can any one help me with Arabic language on fc7 ,Arabic characters appear separated
> BR
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:57:58 +0200
From: Gilboa Davara
Subject: Re: F8 Desktop Effects, nVidia, and Virtual Terminals
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195282678.14709.26.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:06 +1000, Brian Chadwick wrote:
> I have an nVidia 7600 graphics card, livna kmod-nvidia, on an Athlon
> XP3200+, using F8
>
> Desktop Effects works fine, BUT, if I use to change to
> a text mode virtual terminal, strange things happen. On using
> to change to a text terminal, all seems fine. Then using
> to go back to the X session gives a black screen with
> only the mouse pointer showing. No X shortcuts work. Using
> to get back to a text mode screen does not work. The only way out
> is to hard reset the machine.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Brian
>

Seems like an nVidia driver / Video BIOS to me.
I'd suggest you post a message in nVidia's Linux forum [1].

- Gilboa
[1] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:13:02 -0600
From: Tom Poe
Subject: Re: home network planning with all-linux questions
To: Frank Cox
Cc: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <473E947E.5030403@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:37:39 -0600
> Tom Poe wrote:
>
>
>> one for router/gateway between LAN and DSL modem.
>>
>
> Unless you have special requirements, it's my opinion that for most home and
> small office networks the best thing to use for a router is a router. Dlink
> routers and the like are quite cheap, very easy to configure and they use less
> power and generate less heat than any general purpose computer. They also come
> with a fairly decent built-in firewall, not to mention that the mere fact that
> you're NAT-ing tends to add a layer of protection as well.
>
>
Frank: I'm no longer in the labor force, and my small pension dictates
I use older computer. :)
Tom

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:31:48 -0600
From: Frank Cox
Subject: Re: home network planning with all-linux questions
To: Tom Poe
Cc: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <20071117013148.28c31bd7.theatre@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:13:02 -0600
Tom Poe wrote:

> I'm no longer in the labor force, and my small pension dictates
> I use older computer.

Computers generally pull between 60 and 300 watts of power for the computer
itself, not including monitors and the like. Older computers are in many cases
less efficient.

If we assume that the computer you propose to use for a router consumes 200
watts (which is probably in the ballpark) then at twelve cents per KW/h it will
cost you about 58 cents per day for the power to operate it. Or $17.98 per

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Best Regards,

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