No bloody attribution provided: >>> I wish NM would stick to WiFi, where it could conceivably >>> serve as a replacement for wireless-tools. Tim: >> One of the jobs it manages, for some users, is when they go from a wired >> network to a wireless one. Doing that automatically, and painlessly, is >> needed for some people. If it *only* dealt with wireless they'd need >> yet another tool to manage this for them. Timothy Murphy: > But I have absolutely no problem going from ethernet to WiFi, or vice > versa. > They use different interfaces, with different MACs, > and do not appear to me to intersect in any way at all. That's just *YOUR* usage experience. Likewise for other problems you've mentioned. > In my view, if a WiFi device works with NM > then it should work with system-config-network, and vice versa. > If it doesn't then there is a fault with one or the other service, > not with the WiFi device. system-config-network -> network CONFIGURATION network-manager -> picking the interface to USE That's two VERY different tasks. With network manager, I can go from wired to wireless, and it manages the changeover. I can plug and unplug the wired ethernet and it manages to bring the interface up and down automatically, whether or not wireless is involved. Without it, I have to manually bring interfaces up and down as needed. If I plug my ethernet cable into a network, and do nothing, nothing happens. It doesn't ask the DHCP server for an address, it doesn't get given information needed to join the network. -- (This computer runs FC7, my others run FC4, FC5 & FC6, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.