<whining> I use KDE (I know, if I want Fedora to work, I must assimilate to Gnome), and since I installed (a minimal, since anaconda barfed on libxslt when I tried to install using the the updates repo as an additional repo) F8, I have not been able to use either Pirut or yum to perform an update. </whining> Whenever I try to do an update with either of the applications mentioned above, I get: [root@moby Recover]# yum update Existing lock /var/run/yum.pid: another copy is running as pid 4642. Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit... Exiting on user cancel. [root@moby Recover]# ps wwuax | egrep "yum|pup|pirut" root 2774 0.0 0.1 247672 12688 ? SN 18:06 0:05 /usr/bin/python -tt /usr/sbin/yum-updatesd root 3275 0.0 0.2 248520 16892 ? S 18:07 0:00 /usr/bin/python -tt /usr/bin/puplet root 4642 0.4 1.4 346052 122312 ? SN 20:06 0:04 /usr/bin/python -tt /usr/libexec/yum-updatesd-helper --check --dbus root 4713 0.0 0.0 82240 820 pts/3 S+ 20:25 0:00 egrep yum|pup|pirut and when I run pirut, it pops up a warning panel saying: Another application is currently running which is accessing software information. What is puplet supposed to show me? Is /usr/libexec/yum-updatesd-helper supposed to do anything perceptible? Does puplet do anything under Gnome? Is this a bug or a feature? I know yum-updatesd was a no-op under F7. Is it the same under F8? Joe