Tim: >>>> Nup, I'm calling your bluff. If you want to argue that ISP costs are >>>> really prohibitive, *you* provide some numbers. Res: >>> and, do you really think i am going to tell you? Tim: >> No, not really, it's not your style to back up your rants with facts. I >> expected you to continue blustering, and you have. Res: > i aint going to face a law suite to prove shit to some wanka on a mailing > list, i know it fact anyone who runs an isp/osp/asp would know what im > talknig about, i never expect L-users like you to understand The "wanka" is you. I really hope that the next person to employ you does a google search on you. They'll see that all you can do is rant and rave at everyone, giving them the "I know far more than you all do," speech, but having absolutely nothing to back it up, while being a total asshole in the process. I gave you a way to prove your point, without releasing confidential information, but you can't manage that, so I don't believe you know anything about what you claim. Any other person who worked for an ISP would quite easily have said we use gear like Cisco whatevers, that handle x-number of concurrent connections of 1 twiddly-bytes per connection, and whatnot, worth in the range of x-thousand dollars. Giving generically verifiable information without disclosing anything confidential. It's not as if the type of equipment used by ISPs, nor its list cost, is a trade secret. But, nooooo, you think you win an argument without actually substantiating yourself, in any way, what so ever. Stupidly trying to asert that it "costs more than you think it does" just doesn't wash. If you weren't prepared to validate your claim, you should never have tried to make one in the first place. Sorry, but that sort of behaviour places you firmly in the "clueless ranter pretending to be something" box. I don't believe you work where you claim, I don't believe you really know the costs involved. And I can't think of any reason why anyone else on here would believe you, either. I certainly can't believe that anyone with any self-worth in a position of responsibility working in an ISP would come onto a public mailing list and troll like you do. And your inability to spell, or at least type, very well doesn't really sound like someone who would work in that sort of position, either. If you do work in an ISP, which I seriously doubt, I couldn't imagine you in any position other than one of the trained monkeys reading the clueless support scripts on the helpline. -- (This box runs FC5, my others run FC4 & FC6, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.