on 9/22/2007 1:01 PM, Beartooth wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:49:44 +0930, Tim wrote: > >> Yes, I agree. One more for it being a good thing to have. And one more >> to say the nay sayers are in the minority. >> >> I see a *few* people *claiming* it does no good, I haven't seem proof of >> that (and such proof would have to be related to current release >> software to be valid - claims about SELinux flaws from a few years ago >> are as invalid as claims about similarly old faults in other software >> that has since been updated). >> >> I see those people also *falsely* *claiming* that it *only* serves a >> purpose on already compromised machines. That is but one thing it could >> perform. >> >> I see those complaining about it are running very old versions, and are >> not experienced with the current ones. > > Just for the record, I run F7 and have been doing so since it was > released; I expect to get F8 within a week of release, and switch over to > it gradually, machine by machine, over about a month. > > And none of my complaints resembles any of those above. What I > did complain of, or try to, was and is that SELinux keeps harassing me, > even set permissive, about stuff which I haven't the foggiest notion of, > and which it does nothing to make clear to me. It reminds me of an old > rhyme : > > Boston, home of the bean and the cod, > Where Lowells speak only to Cabots, > And Cabots speak only to God. > > Having run every release from RH 7.2 so far, I'm sure SELinux > like so many other things will get far more user-friendly or transparent, > or both; it just hasn't yet, and therefore I question its value -- to me, > at this time. > > There was a time, though some here may doubt it, when even > anaconda was like that : if it hadn't been for installfests, I'd've > remained linuxless. The books and CDs I bought nearly ten years ago never > got me to the point where I could install RH6 at all -- and God knows I > tried. I yield to no man in my hatred of everything that ever came out of > Redmond. I think that you will like Fedora 8 and I also think that you will like SELinux and the troubleshooter GUI for it. It is very easy to use and the 'trouble reports' are not written in Geek Speak. ;-) -- David
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