On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 17:12 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Craig White wrote: > >> > >> I get the impression that he thinks that if it was what he wants, > >> that it would also be what the rest of us want. > > I do think that. Should we take a poll on how many people want their > machines to be unbootable after an update? > > >> Something like 'I > >> want it my way. Make it my way and it you will find that it is what > >> you really want, not what you say you want.' He knows what is best > >> for us. sort of like the way Microsoft feals about its users... > > If you care to count those users, especially desktop users, you might > notice something there. > > > ---- > > actually, Les has made it clear that he believes the fundamental problem > > is the GPL license which requires that device drivers be compatibly > > licensed to become part of distribution and that GPL license causes > > companies such as ATI & nVidia to provide less than their best efforts > > for Linux. > > There is such a fundamental problem in general, in that the GPL > restrictions prevent many useful combinations of things from being > distributed even when all parties would like to give them away. However > in this case the specific problem is the lack of a stable and specified > interface so a device driver can independently provide services for the > kernel without either being considered a derivative or needing to > revised every time the kernel is rebuilt. ---- not really a problem for software where the source is available and much more of a problem for software that is distributed as binary only. ---- > > > Obviously, Les' opinion is not a very popular one on this list but he is > > entitled to his opinion and it doesn't make him a bad guy. > > GPL fanatics, like the covered code, seem to have a problem co-existing > with anything else... ---- And hopefully the distinctions of 'this behavior' are significantly improved upon by GPL v3 As for your specific verbiage, there's a lot of ways of saying it - including many that cast GPL in a favorable light. But - we've already had this discussion and having it again isn't going to change either of our opinions. I did want to point out that the top 2 quotations you have attributed to me were not mine. Craig
