As long as it's come up, anybody know a way to get just a window (or two) with no border and no top bar? I'd really like dali clock to run that way. Every time I try the new desktops or the new ati dirver something breaks, and the effects don't seem to add much to the desktop except a little glitz, for which I'm too old. -- ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@xxxxxxx * * *********************************************************************