Nelson Strother wrote: > In Fedora 7, some of the planned > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureRockSolidWireless > > robust wireless behavior has been implemented. Completing this effort > is not currently shown as being in the Fedora 8 plan. What exactly do you mean by "robust wireless behaviour"? As I have said many times, if NetworkManager works, it is fine; but if it does not work you are up the swanny. What is needed in my view is a simple program, or just a recipe, which tells you exactly where WiFi is failing, if it is failing. The difference between Linux and Windows is that in Linux you can tell the user exactly what is going on. Linux is not, or should not be, a black box. The trouble with a supposed universal system like the one outlined in the link above is that in the end you are forced to say, "You must have one of the following devices". What if someone has a laptop with built-in WiFi using a card not on the given list? Do you just say, "Bad luck, mate"? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland