Tim: >> Look at the ls man file. You can select how you want dates to be >> represented (--time-style). Play with your BASH configuration to use >> your preference by default (e.g. give yourself an alias for ls that >> includes the setting). Pete Geenhuizen: > I did that. I just happen to think that it's anal that you have to > jump through hoops like this. Not to mention you have to wonder what > problem is being solved by this change? Well, for some people, they're annoyed at having to jump through hoops to configure the system to show dates in the way they aren't displayed by default. You can't please everyone. Personally I hated the less than useful display I got, by default, with FC4: -rwxrwxr-x 1 tim tim 186 Jan 12 2006 signature.script -rw-rw-r-- 1 tim tim 83964 Mar 29 22:41 song.jpeg I want the year and time showing on all files, and my locale doesn't usually write dates like "Jan 12". Getting a full library-style date, is what I really want (that's "library" as in institutions with books, not computer library files). Please don't post HTML to the list, and snip away whatever doesn't *need* quoting back. See the notes for using the list. Those list guidelines are not just *my* point of view. -- [[email protected]ack ~]$ rm -rfd /*^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Huname -ipr 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7 i686 i386 Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7. Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.