i installed an almost "everything" from the dvd, and moved some directories over to my ~ . they got their user field changed to "tclhppd". i corrected some of these, and rebooted. the boot process gave a lot of permission denied errors, and stopped at haldaemon. tried again with setenforce 0, which went part way thru the boot process, then umounted the filesystems & halted the computer. i re-installed without tclhttpd, and haven't had the problem again. i would have filed a bug, but i haven't tried to reproduce it, (i got tired of installing) so i thought i'd post here. charles f zeitler : Do What Thou Wilt : : Shall Be : : The Whole of The Law :