Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> In my experience, NM just adds another layer of obfuscation >> to an already confusing (and confused) setup. >> I found after a lot of experiment (and requests on the NM mailing list) >> that NM just did not work with my WiFi card, >> a standard (if old) Orinoco Gold PCMCIA card. >> Basically, it tried to turn the card to a mode it did not support. > > I sort-of recall that thread. I have a relatively old Orinoco card in one > machine that works just fine with NM, except that there's no WPA support. > I did nothing special to configure it, just used the standard tools > (system-config-network and NM). Your posting led me to try NetworkManager again, but my experience was no better than before: starting NM has the immediate effect of stopping my WiFi connection, which until then was working perfectly ... I see in /var/log/messages: ====================================== Dec 2 22:11:27 martha NetworkManager: <WARNING> get_scan_results (): card took too much time scanning. Get a better one. Dec 2 22:11:27 martha NetworkManager: <WARNING> nm_device_802_11_wireless_scan (): device eth0 returned an error. ====================================== Yes, well - either my card is not working properly, or NetworkManager has a long was to go ... Running "sudo service network restart" does not restore the link. I have to re-boot the machine. After that everything - except NM - is working again, and scanning seems to work without any problem: ====================================== [tim@martha ~]$ sudo iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 8A:13:22:EE:C9:17 ESSID:"maths.tcd.ie" Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.457 GHz (Channel 10) Signal level:-57 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm Encryption key:on ====================================== The card is a Lucent Technologies Gold PCMCIA card (11b), with, according to /var/log/dmesg, "Firmware determined as Lucent/Agere 6.04". -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland