Well, at long, long -- repeat after me -- long last, Sun has open-sourced Java. At first, Sun rejected the idea, but the company finally has come around to it. And, not only that, Sun's doing under the GPL. Full article at; http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4045253737.html Note, area for comments/feedback at above link ;-) taharka Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.