Tim: >> FC3 used up2date, by FC4 it wasn't really usable. FC4 uses YUM. Ed Greshko: > OK...they probably went to xorg-x11 by then too, huh? Yes, FC4 moved from XFree86 to Xorg. -- (Currently running FC4, occasionally trying FC5.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.