On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:29:27 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote: [...] >>> Beartooth wrote: >>>> If Debian can do it, why not Fedora and yum? [...] >> >> Is this the sort of thing that the Livna folks do? > > Yes. As I understand it, the Livna folks package up stuff that is > legally redistributable, but cannot be included in Fedora proper due to > patent restrictions or proprietary licensing, etc. OK; I had supposed the rules were all but identical for Debian and Fedora, and therefore the free-as-in-what question might've been solved somehow. Livna would be wonderful. I've been running Opera even longer than linux -- at least since 4.0 -- and can cope with downloading and installing rpms as I've been doing. But it would be a lot more convenient to be able to use yum. In fact, apart from new discoveries of things I hadn't known existed (which I'm growing increasingly chary of, anyhow), Opera and Pine are about the only things left, and surely the two big things, that I always have to add to every new release of Fedora. We're getting *very* close, at least for people whose uses are much like mine (lots, I think), to being able to install and have the whole shebang Just Work. Opera on livna might take that as far as it can go; I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an Act of the Washington State Legislature. My thanks to all, and here's hoping livna takes up opera! -- Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1 Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 9.0, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1 Remember I have little idea what I am talking about.