I think this is one of those discussion that never ends, It is like Soccer, football, baseball, discussions, you can "invent" a lot of ways of metering wich team is better. For instance in Argentina's Soccer (Boca Juniors Vs River Plate) One will say that the better is the team with more south american cups the other will say is the one with more Argentina's cups, and some other will say that the best is the one who won more matches between them. But the discussion will never end. I think we have two option (maybe three) 1. Stop the discussion and accept the fact that you (both sides) will never convice the other, so as somebody said you have the right to top/botton post, and also have the right to answer to the posts you want. 2. Make this list a socity with rules, and vote in democracy, the loosers will have to accept what the winners decide. 3. Stop reading this thread :) unfotunaly the curiosity is BIG !!! :) regards, Guillermo.