Thanks for the replies! [I am the original poster but now using my home email address]. I am up & running. To recap: I want to install FC5 on a laptop with XP already installed, want a grub menu, but don't want to update the MBR or the XP partition. The machine doesn't have a floppy drive. Steps: 1. boot knoppix and run qtparted to resize the ntfs partition. 2. install fc5 using custom disk layout: sda1 -> XP sda2 -> FC5 / sda3 -> FC5 swap 3. configure grub (using advanced option) to write to /dev/sda2 and run thru the install until it is time to reboot. 4. on another system (I suppose I could do this on the same system in linux rescue mode but I didn't bother to look up how to specify the cdrecord command) I built a CD: $ mkdir -p iso/boot/grub $ cp /usr/share/grub/i386-redhat/stage2_eltorito iso/boot/grub $ cd iso/boot/grub $ vi grub.conf $ cat grub.conf default=1 timeout=5 hiddenmenu title /dev/sda1 rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 title /dev/sda2 rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 $ ln -s grub.conf menu.lst $ cd ../../.. $ mkisofs -R -b boot/grub/stage2_eltorito -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o grub.iso iso and burned it. Then booted with this CD and completed the install. So we have grub on CD booting grub on /dev/sda2. Very cool. Greg Smith