On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 16:36 -0400, starcycle@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > i was logging in through ssh. but the problem was not using the dash. > all workie now. see what i mean about difficult for newbies? :D I think some people make that a bigger issue than it really is. You try it, it doesn't work, you ask or read about why, you find out, the you know about it. If you can't manage that, there's going to be a lot more about computing that's going to stump you. *ix isn't the only thing that restricts ordinary users, Windows does too. Unfortunately more people learn to use the system improperly than properly, and make a mess of it. We go in the other direction. I know which is better, for all those who can't come to terms with it, they're free to use the inferior system. -- (Currently running FC4, occasionally trying FC5.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.