On Sun May 21 2006 12:37 am, Craig White wrote: > All fine and good to a point and then it becomes > whining/bitching/counter productive. > > ............... > > It is not reasonable to expect change to occur simply by > voicing opinions on the list though. It is clear that there are numbers of reasonable folk on this list that don't buy your argument/refrain. Your insulting characterizations of others has itself become a form of whining - you can't make a baby stop sh___ing in their pants by soiling your own -- Claude Jones Brunswick, Md, USA