After fighting with this since upgrading from FC4 to FC5 two weeks ago, I've finally isolated the problem down a big. Basically the problem I'm having is that my Linksys WPC11v3 (802.11b) pcmcia wifi card will only 'see' the network if I physically insert it after FC5 has finished booting fully. If the card is inserted during bootup, then I _never_ can get it to see anything. The only thing that I get for an error is: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready This card uses the orinoco_cs driver, however for some bizarre reason the hostap_cs driver is also getting loaded, even though its never used. At any rate, this is extremely frustrating, because I have to remember (and worse tell everyone else who uses this notebook) to physically remove the card before booting up, or they get no network connection. This problem did not exist prior to the FC5 upgrade. Help?!? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ L. Friedman netllama@xxxxxxxxx LlamaLand http://netllama.linux-sxs.org