bill perkins wrote: >> > I would double-check the modules that you have loaded in each kernel, > make sure they are identical. > well i rebooted into the new kernel and logged into console mode. at console mode sound works fine. but if i log into either KDE (my default) or GNOME sound does not work. so this must be a conflict between the newer kernel and the KDE or GNOME sound systems. any ideas? thank you all. -- jack wallen, jr get your pantz off, get your skirt on www.monkeypantz.net