On 1/23/06, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Interesting comparison. I stopped using slackware as soon > as another distro became easier to use. It is an interesting comparison.. considering that slackware topped linuxquestions.org members poll for 2004, which was held in feb of 2005. Perhaps the lesson here is that no-one, not even you, have a good idea as to what the community as a whole is interest in seeing improvement in. If you want to talk from personal experience, fine, be specific as to which improvements in the installer you would like to see, but don't try wrap yourself in the language of the average user perspective nor try to suggest that fedora is out of step with other open source projects simply because you have have decided that certain projects are irrelevant to the common linux experience. You nor I have any way to evaluate whether our opinions are representative of anything more than a vocal minority. Let me be a tad more blunt. Stop making general comparisons about "other distros." Stop using retorical constructions which attempt to magnify your opinion that fedora is out of step with the larger distribution space. Some distros do things better than others and the evaluation of that depends on the person who is looking over the distros. If you want to talk about the pros/cons of specific functionality be as specific in your comparison drawing as you can possibly be instead of casting wide statements about "other distributions". What you are doing is nothing but grand standing for effect. I demand specifics because I care about this project's success. What i suggest you do, is to take a moment make a list of specific examples as to where the implementation in fedora installation process could be modified. Start a new thread for each idea, and support each idea with specific examples of similar features implemented in specifically named distributions. If after discussion on each of those threads, you feel that your idea is still worth presenting to the Core developers and Core release team, write an RFE in bugzilla and reference the discussion thread for them to review. I will speak from personal experience and say, that the more topics this one thread covers, the less likely this discussion can be followed later as a reference. If you are sincerely trying to invoke change in the minds of the people who make decisions, you do yourself a favor by constraining discussion in a particular thread as much as possible to a specific implementable action instead of lumping all your specific ideas together. And it will also be important to follow up with a feature request into bugzilla which references the discussion in the web archive of this mailinglist. As much fun as it is to argue with you over the definition of things like the line between proprietary hardware and proprietary software... the fact of the matter is.. the final decision on any idea presented here will most likely be made by people who are not active in this discussion. Keep your true audience in mind and make sure you do what you can to keep discussion in any particular thread narrow. -jef
