jack craig: >> if se linux is on, you might want to try runing it off... John Summerfied: > Superstition. Hmm, interesting way to put it... I'm often of the opinion when some people recommend turning off your protective software (whatever that may be), they have ulterior motives. Especially if they don't just suggest testing without it, but always running without it. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised by hackers evangelising that all firewalls are a waste of time, for instance. -- Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.