Gary, again thanks for your response. I have tried both the net and local interface, the machine I am testing from is the local machine and generally speaking it has always been the net backend that is easiest to configure. But from the local machine with both the epkowa and net interfaces enabled if I had a successful setup I would see both (the net and local) devices available upon startup of kooka. xsane -L tells me there are no scanners available. sane-find-scanner finds the scanner as usual and tells me that it cannot identify the scanner. This is the same report that I used to get under FC3 and the scanner still worked. As for Assumptions forget it, I should have mentioned that upfront. John
