> what happens when you do Applications>Graphics>The Gimp>Aquire ? > Seems to me, you need to first fire up Gimp as root ( to accept the > license) - gary > Aquire has nothing but grayed out options, and the outpus of saned -d128 is as follows: [saned] main: starting debug mode (level 128) [saned] main: trying to get port for service `sane-port' (getaddrinfo) [saned] main: [0] socket () using IPv4 [saned] main: [0] setsockopt () [saned] main: [0] bind () to port 6566 [saned] main: [0] listen () [saned] main: [1] socket () using IPv6 [saned] main: [1] socket failed: Address family not supported by protocol [saned] main: waiting for control connection [saned] saned (AF-indep+IPv6) from sane-backends 1.0.15 ready [saned] check_host: access by remote host: 127.0.0.1 [saned] check_host: remote host is IN_LOOPBACK: access granted [saned] init: access granted [saned] init: access granted to eagle1@xxxxxxxxx [saned] process_request: waiting for request [saned] process_request: got request 1 [saned] process_request: waiting for request [saned] process_request: got request 10 [saned] quit: exiting The above was generated by starting kooka as a normal user. Kooka never offers the select device dialog upon startup. If I launch iscan from epson/kowa it tells me the that it could not connect to any devices. The following was generated by the command: telnet localhost 6566 [saned] main: starting debug mode (level 128) [saned] main: trying to get port for service `sane-port' (getaddrinfo) [saned] main: [0] socket () using IPv4 [saned] main: [0] setsockopt () [saned] main: [0] bind () to port 6566 [saned] main: [0] listen () [saned] main: [1] socket () using IPv6 [saned] main: [1] socket failed: Address family not supported by protocol [saned] main: waiting for control connection [saned] saned (AF-indep+IPv6) from sane-backends 1.0.15 ready [saned] check_host: access by remote host: 127.0.0.1 [saned] check_host: remote host is IN_LOOPBACK: access granted [saned] init: access granted [saned] init: bad status=0 or procnum=-720899 [saned] quit: exiting I do not understand why I have no scanning, this is the same output I used to get under FC3 and all worked fine. Thanks John