Sigh... well, I was knocked out two days trying to figure out how to get FC4 installed... and after many stupid trials and errors I finally "got it" but not after trying all the *wrong way* to solve the issue but hey - I learned alot but lost two frigging days and long hours.... If your GUI install fails, then simply try the 'linux text' installation pathway. Ok, simple enuf... Now, the next trick is... when you reboot, and if you find that grub fails (in a mysterious state, as I did), then you can put your Fedora rescue disc in and reboot. When Fedora rescue comes up, just hit the return key and continue through to the end where the last thing you do is to 'chroot /mnt/sysimage' Where is where I got screwed: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SETUP YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION AND CONTINUE ON THINKING THAT YOU CAN DO A YUM UPDATE!!!! IT WILL NOT WORK AND YOU CANNOT UNDO THE DAMAGE!!!! Sorry - caps button was on for emphasis. ok, now edit: /etc/inittab and change your default boot level from '5' to '3' and save the file. Then remove your CD and then type in 'exit' twice to do a reboot. What will happen is that your system will boot in level 3 and grub comes up, you can continue on without editing and adding your boot level (I just did not know how to do it and on WHAT line to add the boot level.) Once the system prompts for your login, enter 'root' and the password and then once in, you can do: yum update xorg-x11 and it will properly be installed. Then once installed, edit the /etc/inittab and revert the change from '3' back to '5', save it, and reboot. Now, you are on your way. The big slammer of course is that when you do the REST of the yu, update, you have 899MB of updates to download and install. It will take the rest of your day (and night perhaps) to install it all. Note: Some people advocate that you install 'everything' and it was fine from FC1 to FC3 but unfortunately, with FC4 there are dependency issues with cman, GFS, dls(?) and gnbd and you may want to remove these from your installation first before yum updating. More time. So - my experience with FC4 was horrible. Worst installation job I have experienced over one stupid little (major) release. However, I have installed FC4 and now I am installing and confiring the my system which will take me another day. Note: what the frick.... why is SENDMAIL telling me that postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxx missing!?!?!? Sheesh, will wonders never cease... Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005