>> > > hwclock --show | cat >> > > >> > > Does that help? It did for me (newly-installed FC4 system on Dell Dimension, hwclock from util-linux-2.12p-9.5). I notice also that: (*) hwclock produces output if run from one of the virtual text consoles, but not if run from an xterm (unless piped to another command, as you describe above). (*) /sbin/hwclock does not produce output, but if I copy /sbin/hwclock to, say, /root/hwclock, /root/hwclock produces output. (*) If run as /sbin/hwclock, strace output indicates that the program makes a call to ioctl, which works in a text console but not in an xterm. If run as /root/hwclock, it doesn't make that call, and all is well. >> > No change. Why do you think it would? I'm interested in the explanation as well -- why piping the output to another command makes a difference. A colleague also says "ask him whether he found this by accident or whether he knew it would work because of some deep understanding ...." So -- ? >> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc4/errata/#sn-overview >> >> hwclock is in the list of daemons covered by the targeted policy. This >> means hwclock may or may not have control over the terminal. Would I be right in guessing that this explains why putting the executable in a different directory changes the results?? >> Though it >> seems this issue is a different one (on the German speaking Fedora list >> the cat pipe helped recently[1]). >> >> Alexander >> >> [1] >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-de-list/2005-June/msg00109.html If only I read German! -- blm