Back again... Ok, I tried to boot the other, older kernal. It boots correctly to runlevel 3, and I'm logged in as root. And ssh'd into it now also. But when I tried to startx, it fails. The last line in the Xorg.0.log is: -------- AUDIT: Thu Jul 14 14:34:29 2005: 2552 X: client 5 rejected from local host -------- I told the installer no selinux, and IIRC, no iptables. Wheres the security officer, I am losing my patience & need somebody to beat on. :) Is there a non gui, or ncurses based system services editor? system-config-services segfaults w/o x running. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.35% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.