The FC4 install media arrived yesterday, and I began with an upgrade (FC2 > FC4) on my most expendable machine, partly just to try out the upgrade process. After the install I immediately did yum upgrade. Most things went very well, and my first impression is extremely favorable: kudos and much thanks to the developers, both for FC4 in general, and for the new version of yum! I did find an odd nit to pick which may interest some, or be slightly more serious than it is (hardly at all) with this first machine -- one that seems, at least to my half-informed grasp of such things, likely to affect more cases than this minor one, and looks like it might arise down the road with upgrades even of fresh installs in certain cases. My machine was running Pan 0.14.2, and Pine 4.63 from an rpm with fc2 in its name; I would also have gone for that Pan release with a fresh install. Yum switched Pan to 0.14.2.91, and rpm -Uvh on a generic Fedora rpm from UW would not take, saying the installed version was later. I expect I can solve the Pine oddity by running "rpm -e pine" and then installing the generic; that will be easy, since Pine was barely configured yet -- on this particular machine. Doing the same with Pan will be a bit of a hassle, especially on other machines, since all the data for a fully configured instance of Pan (at least as I run it) is bigger than a CD will hold. I don't know what the answer is; I'd like to hear if there is one -- some sort of an override capability? Preferably one that doesn't have to be attended to every time the user runs yum? The nit itself reminds me of what synaptic did, when I tried that for a while. It hasn't been obvious from the subject lines of the threads I've been following in this venue; I apologize if it's already been discussed here more than I realize. -- Beartooth Neo-Redneck, Linux Evangelist FC 1-4, YDL 4; Pine 4.63, Pan 0.14.2; Privoxy 3.0.3; Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 8.01, Firefox 1.0.4, Epiphany 1.0.8 Remember that I have little idea what I am talking about.