I just upgraded my FC3 to FC4. After the upgrade my /dev/dsp, dev/mixer are set to: crw------- 1 root root 14, 3 Jun 16 17:19 /dev/dsp crw------- 1 root root 14, 0 Jun 16 17:19 /dev/mixer I tried setting /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules to: SUBSYSTEM="sound", GROUP="audio" # audio devices KERNEL=="dsp*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="audio*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="midi*", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="mixer*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0660" I have a group audio with gid = 504 when I run udevtest this is the output: # udevtest /sys/class/sound/dsp dsp udevtest.c: looking at device '/class/sound/dsp' from subsystem 'sound' udevtest.c: opened class_dev->name='dsp' udev_rules.c: no rule found, use kernel name 'dsp' udev_add.c: creating device node '/dev/dsp', major = '14', minor = '3', mode = '0660', uid = '0', gid = '504' this would indicate that the device would be created with 0660 for root.audio but it's not. If I manually set the permissions/owner device works fine... here's some additional info: # lsmod | grep snd snd_trident 52581 0 gameport 18633 2 snd_trident snd_ac97_codec 75961 1 snd_trident snd_seq_dummy 3653 0 snd_seq_oss 37057 0 snd_seq_midi_event 9153 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 62289 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_pcm_oss 51185 0 snd_mixer_oss 17857 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 100169 3 snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 33605 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9669 2 snd_trident,snd_pcm snd_util_mem 4673 1 snd_trident snd_mpu401_uart 10049 1 snd_trident snd_rawmidi 30305 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8781 5 snd_trident,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd 57157 11 snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 10913 1 snd The audio device is a crappy onboard AC97 device. Thanks in advance... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com