Re: Fostering Cooperation (was Yum and EXTRAS)

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Les Mikesell wrote:
| On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 03:34, Andy Green wrote:
|
|>It comes over like a land-grab.  "Cooperation is
|>impossible"/submit/resistance is futile does not help.
|
| The real problem is that the 3rd party repositories (freshrpms, DAG,
| etc.) existed long before the fedora project, providing updates for
| RH versions that otherwise would have required a subscription to
| obtain automatically along with additional packages.  Then the
| fedora repository used different conventions.  If the 3rd party
| sites change conventions, their existing users will at best have to
| download everything touched again and at worst, have broken systems.

Well the worst is always to have a broken system and can be arrived at
by botching any change regarding critical packages.

At the moment the RPMForge folks and I imagine all of the third party
repos promise compatability with the packages in Fedora base, because
otherwise a repo would be useless.  This will probably play out over
time that the other repos are pressured into coming into line with
conventions found in (base+Extras), particularly as Fedora will be
shipping with the Extras repo in there already.  The effect -- the
effect, not the actuality -- is that Extras is an internal Redhat repo
with "outsourced" ((c) the EU guy) management, and that (base+extras) is
the old base.  The only reason for the distinction between base and
extras will be because Redhat are not having to manage the stuff in Extras.

| A newer repository like livna doesn't have to worry about
| backwards compatibility or previously existing users, or keeping
| the same packages available for RH7-9 so they don't face quite
| the same problems - at least as long as none of their packages
| require modifications to core packages.

Well RH7-9 are dying or dead as an installed population and there is a
clear path forward for people using them, either to Fedora or
Whitebox/CentOS/RHEL.  But I take your point.

- -Andy
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