Ok, just as before, when I insert a usb device, it adds a n entry to /etc/fstab like so /dev/sda1 /media/UDISK_20X vfat pamconsole,exec,noauto,iocharset=utf8,noatime,sync,managed 0 0 and ls -la /dev/sda says this brw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 8, 0 Mar 22 02:15 /dev/sda and gnome-volume-properties says to automatically mount removable devices still, BUT if I have GVP running, and insert any removable usb device, it says mount /media/UDISK_20X/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems or mount /media/usbdisk/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems just like if I typed manually mount /media/usbdisk it says mount /media/usbdisk/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems what's the problem? The entry is not in /etc/fstab until insertion, what happened to automatic mounting? root can mount the device fine, but no users. help? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com