On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 09:02, D. D. Brierton wrote: > I've been a RHL and FC user for quite some time. I've been on the > mailing lists, and had bugzilla accounts for a long time now. But this > mailing list is strangling itself. The volume is way too high. Look at > the beginning of the Fedora Project and see how many Red Hat engineers > regularly posted to this list, and now look at how many do (Tim Waugh > and Dave Jones make an occasional appearance here these days, and we're > lucky to have them). That's it. Who's driven them away? WE HAVE. > > I work for a living. I have no idea what most of the other people on > this list do, but I often feel in a minority. This list should have a > narrow focus, restricted to using Fedora, and that's it. But instead we > have all manner of ridiculous threads, not all of them flame wars, that > go on and on and on. For the last couple of months I actually suspended > delivery from this list because I just couldn't cope with the volume. > Even as it is, I skim through messages, quite possibly missing things > that i could either learn from or help others with just because there is > too much traffic. Who's at fault? Well there is no one else to blame but > ourselves. We *are* the list. Either we decide to only respond to > genuine questions and issues, and ignore the trolls and flame-bait, or > we give into our urges and wreck this community completely. Given the > traffic the last couple of days I have myself considered unsubscribing. > Which is a shame, as whilst that flame war was going on I was helping > someone who was a complete newbie actually install Fedora. Shame on > everyone who perpetuated that total waste of time with so little > consideration for the silent majority on this list. > > All of you can say, "If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen", > but if the temperature gets any hotter so many people might leave that > the Fedora community might end up as one long slanging match like the > Debian community is. I assume that that is not what we want. > > So could all of us think twice about what to reply to? If someone says > something stupid, or slags us off, or asks a question they could clearly > answer for themselves if they just tried, how about just ignoring them? > How about all of us exercising a little restraint? > > Best, Darren > > -- > ===================================================================== > D. D. Brierton darren@xxxxxxxxxxx www.dzr-web.com > Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) > ===================================================================== Hi, Well said, that about sums it up for me too. -- John Morrison SNS Group 15 Fitzroy Place Glasgow. G3 7RW E: jmorrison@xxxxxxxxxx T: 0141 2213602 F: 0141 2213595