Dan Trainor wrote:
Edward Yang wrote:
Dan Trainor wrote:
John Wendel wrote:
Edward Yang wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for replying. Though it's quite off the topic to discuss
what a troll is, but I apparently see many people in Linux
community likes calling someone else *troll*.
THIS IS NOT A TROLL
I have to agree with Edward Yang about memory usage, though I can't
comment about Windows. I have been using Linux for 5 years and I'm
really disturbed by the memory bloat in the current crop of desktop
applications.
I've got one box that has 128 MB of memory. I normally use it for
application testing and it has a minimal FC3 install, no Gnome, no
KDE, and I almost always run without X. This morning I wanted to
install "system-config-httpd" so I entered "yum whatprovides
system-config-httpd\*" and walked away. When I came back in 15
minutes the box was having a major swap shit storm. Logging in on
another VT took several minutes and running free showed all the
memory used along with 200MB of swap and growing. At this point, I
killed the yum process and the box recovered.
I then went and ran the yum command on my 512 MB box and watched
free memory while it was running. It worked this time, but it did
exhaust all the memory in the box and use a load of swap space.
I know that unused memory is wasted memory but really folks, test
your apps on low memory machines! Swapping sucks. I won't even
start to comment on the current crop of bloated pig mail readers,
browsers and office suites.
Regards,
John
Thanks, John, for providing some constructive feedback to Mr. Yang's
"problem". I don't know if the "problem" was due to user or system
error. Either way, I'm sure most of us here don't really care.
Regardless, think that is what he was looking for.
I often contribute to this list to try to help people get around
some of the hurdles that they're having, regardless of how small.
However, I do take offense to how Mr. Yang states that FC3 is the
guilty party. I know that he says he came from a vast Windows
background, and with that being said, he should know better than
anyone that you can not ever expect the best performance out of a
product vanilla and "out of the box".
My suggestion to you, Mr. Yang, is to go do your homework, and stop
with the "You're an idiot" - "No, you're an idiot!" idle bickering.
The list gets enough traffic already, and could surely do without
the bickering.
Okay, someone starts calling me a *troll* (not directly though, but
every normal man with normal brain can infer that). Should I remain
silent? What will you do if you were I in this case?
The few who have not already ignored every message that you have,
may, or will be sending, are here to support you, and if need be,
hold your hand throughout the whole process. I, for some reason,
remain one of these few, but I think that I put it well said for
others and myself when I tell you that I will refuse to offer any
assistance to you if your netiquette does not improve.
Okay, I have a bad temper. My colleguges all agree with this
conclusion, but they also agree I am kind person too. I often get
flamed about garbage software. This is a thing I cannot help.
So which areas of your setup are you wanting to improve? Memory
consumption? Where would you like to start?
Please read my question. The most thing I want to know is how to stop
eggcups from respawning, which I have found answer by gooling (though
it took me about 30 minutes). And I want to know why it takes so
*much* memory. It shouldn't have to as I have expected.
Have a good evening
-Dan Trainor
Thanks for replying. If my bad temper or netiquette does not sound
good to you, please ignore me. Or simply report the the list admin
and let him decide if my posts will be blocked.
Well, as much as we'd like to say it on a daily basis, Opensource
isn't always perfect. In fact, no software is. That's just how it
works.
...starts calling me a troll. Well, I'd ignore it. This is the
Internet. You don't always have to have the last word. Who cares.
Bad temper? We have our bad days. Who cares. Drop it. I'm done
with it, as you should be. Thanks.
Can you please share your solution regarding eggcups? I'm sure there
may be others with the same question. I must say I'm a bit curious
myself.
Thanks
-dant
See Pasha's post at the bottom, and also my reply to Pasha's post.
