people (including myself) used to use mutt, pine, and elm as their email clients. that has changed for the majority of people (probably even the majority of people on this list - although i do still use pine when i ssh into my desktop from another machine). it's my understanding that people wanted to force a maximum four-line sig because when the internet first started - bandwidth was at a premium and no one wanted to pay for peoples sigs. well, for the most part that has changed as well. i'm on lists where the norm (with the exception of me and a small contingency) is HTML mail and their sigs are otherwise known as 'tags' and they come in the form or rather large .jpg or .gif files. it's insane, but it's there right to use them. what i'm trying to say here is that things do evolve. if you just try to force the old standards simply because they are the "old standards" then you might possibly miss something pretty darned nifty. now as far as this 'top posting/bottom posting' discussion is concerned - i find it rather silly. i'll read people's posts if they no matter where they are. but i'm not going to all of a sudden start top posting here and bottom posting there when the overwhelming majority of people i email would look at me as if i were an idiot if i said "do you prefer top or bottom posting?" i would like to think if a topic is important to you - you'll read it regardless of where the quote is. of course the vast majority of the threads that come through this list are of no interest to me. the only one's i care to read are those where i have a similar problem or something seems interesting to me. like this thread. :-D no offense to anyone intended of course. On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 12:02, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 07:15:53AM -0700, Shaffer Paul wrote: > > It appears to me, someone (or some subset of the group) is attempting > >to "establish" a custom. This friction has cropped up quite frequently > >here. Evidently there is some significant dissent on the topic, so > >I personally view claim to right or wrong with strong skepticism, > >adhereing to the "each his own" philosophy. > -- jack wallen, jr - I wanna be on the edge. Some people aren't on the edge. They're right on the lid.