On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:15:29 +0000, Douglas Furlong wrote: > Hopefully, you have the feeling that you can come to the community and > seek assistance, so that we can all get through it ;) I do indeed, and will study your exposition; many thanks! In fact, I try to do more. Because I'm subtechnoid, but also articulate, I make a practice of trying to get across, on lists like this, the one thing the real Alpha Technoids have most trouble with most often, afaict : why it is that the uninitiated have such difficulty doing what seems child's play to them. That, if anything, is what I can give back. And it is getting back, whether because of any efforts of mine, or independently of them, or despite them. Linux has been getting more user-friendly by leaps and bounds in my time. For example, the user I know best never managed to get RH 6.0 nor 6.1 installed at all; had to have a Friendly Local Alpha Geek (FLAG) install 7.2; participated (a little) in installing 8.0 at an installfest; installed RH9 at home, with help from the local LUG; and has installed FC1 twice, with a lot of help from the local LUG the first time, and with only a (relatively) little trouble the second. Everything works on one machine, and most things do on the other. All this in a matter of five or six years is real progress, however frustrating it does get at times. -- Beartooth Autodidact, curmudgeonly codger learning linux Remember I know precious little of what I'm talking about!