On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 02:50, Temlakos wrote: > Also, surely there's no such thing as "a stupid question," unless it's a > question to which one might *reasonably* be supposed to know the answer. > "Look it up in the archives" is all very well, but I've never been on > any list whose message archives are organized well enough for such a > search to bear fruit in what I would call an efficient manner. This is a We have relatively good archives, which are organised by keyword searches at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list It is recommended for newbies to look there first before posting > Last of all: Just who *are* the moderators of this list? I think every > list ought to have some kind of moderating team, and *everyone* ought to > know *who are the members of that team* so that we can know who might be > talking out-of-school. Or if the moderators want to remain anonymous, > then we all ought to have a contact address (say, > fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx) that we can use to forward complaints to, > if we have any. This is an unmoderated list. If you have problems, e-mail fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx and complaints will be dealt with The list is "owned" by Warren Togami and me, both of our e-mail addresses are displayed at the bottom of the site http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > But that same list member, cozy behind their keyboard, will publicly > > shred some poor newbie for top posting, posting in HTML, posting a > > question about something that has been asked before or some other > > alleged breach of "netiquette." Never mind that in almost every case, > > the person posting is asking for help and is so new that they couldn't > > possibly know about "the rules." I mean, come on - do these self- > > appointed "list police" really think that they are helping in any > > constructive way? If they are repeat offenders, I see no issue as to why the "list police" can't get posts done... > > Let's be serious, OK? I see so many people point to some web posting of > > "netiquette" as if it were {$your_deity's} own Word. Please! > > Etiquette, whether on a mailing list or in person is *suggested* as best > > behavior. It's not The Law. Someone who breaches etiquette should > > either be gently reminded *in private* about it or ignored. A person > > who publicly belittles another for an etiquette breach is just as guilty > > - probably more so as they are being incredibly hypocritical. Yes, if in private, that'll be nice too. But I fear that the poor newbie might get LARTed at too many times in private > > Now let's please get back to helping each other with Fedora issues, not > > flaming each other over everything else, OK? Exactly, I hereby declare that flaming is unacceptable, and the thread should *die* now -- Colin Charles, byte@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi
