Thanks to everyone who responded to my question, the pointers helped my education move along greatly. To summarize things for anyone who is also interested in the answers to my earlier questions. --- Tim Waugh <twaugh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > These devices have two variants of firmware: the > version it comes with > may well not support USB mass storage. This appears to be the case for most iRiver flash devices, the two types of firmware available are iRiver Music Manager (IMM) and UMS (USB Mass Storage). The first of these is what comes on the devices when purchased, the second can be put on the device after the fact. The first needs special software to interact with the device the second, I am assuming, just works like any other storage device. Just mount and use. Although from what I have read the UMS firmware cripples the device slightly. This was as far as I got though. My iFP-780 seems to be two new for either of these solutions. iRiver has not got around to releasing the UMS firmware for the 700 series (it was supposed to come out in July I believe, but it still isn't here). The software available for linux to access the IMM firmware (giriver and libiriver) doesn't seem to work on the 700 series either. It can do some things, like list the files on the device and create new directories on the device, but as soon as you try to move files on, or off the device it either crashes or says "That file cannot be found". Anyways this may serve as a heads up to anyone looking at this type of iRiver devices. If I manage to find anyway to get things working I will re-post an update to this. Thanks for everyones help. Nathan Bullock ps. I realize this may not be a question for this list so ignore if you want. Does anyone know which portable mp3 players support UMS directly? I don't want to do any fooling around. Just plug in and mount. ===== Visit my website at http://bullock.mooo.com ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca