On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:10:00 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Urk. I needed an embarrassing amount of help when FC1 was still newish; > > Well, upgrading RHL/FC has always required more experience and > "handcrafting" than that required by other distributions ;-) Oddly enough, unless I've lost more memories that I think, I had no very great trouble getting from 7.2 to 8.0, nor 8.0 to 9. I never managed 6.x at all, and had to have my friendly local Alpha Plus Nerd install 7.2 and hack a connection to DSL from it; since then, with a lot of help from the Net, I've mostly managed .... > However, the amount of problems, I was facing after upgrading to FC2 > exceeded the amount of problems, I was used to face when upgrading > previous versions of RHL/FC. > ATM, I would have to lie to recommend to get started with Linux with FC2 > to beginners. They probably are better off choosing a different > distribution. OK, given several years' experience with RH (and a couple with YellowDog), and none with any other *ix, which? Whitebox seems eminently unapproachable to the uninitiated. I've been trying to follow gmane.linux.whitebox.user, and can't even tell what the posts are about ... :-( > However, I can recommend FC2 to professional sysadmins, to advanced > Linux/*nix users, to developers, to those who aren't scared about going > after problems, if something doesn't immediately work and to those who > want to "play and learn" with a Linux-system. I have no doubt it does those things, and I don't mean to complain of that; but I am emphatically none of the above. > As I see it: RH had promised FC to be closer to the bleeding edge, now > we (the users) are facing the consequences. Admitted, RH could have done > better, but I also don't see much reason to bash them, because they > could have done much worse. I hope nobody here thinks I'm bashing either RH or FC. I just don't want to be an endless hindrance with questions and problems that are both elementary and dumb. I want linux of some flavor, knowing I can tweak anything whatever, if/when I feel the need; and I'd defend myself in any way necessary against anyone who tried to force me back to MegaScat (or the detestably counter-intuitive Apple Interface, either!) -- and expect any sane jury to acquit me, if it came to a trial. But I don't want to *have* to tweak things before I can start using them (and finding out what tweaks suit me); and I don't want to get blindsided by security holes. Yum and cron are a great help, bless them! -- Beartooth Autodidact, curmudgeonly codger learning linux Remember I know precious little of what I'm talking about!